From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 11:34:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874kk5lzew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6txigm1.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:46:30 +0100")
>> This has been discussed many times, and the most promising solution is
>> to add a single variable that will define whether the user prohibits
>> changing the definitions of traditional keys.
>
> I don't think that's a feasible solution -- some changed keybindings are
> fine (because nobody are using them) and some are annoying. The only
> way to find out which is which is to try and see whether somebody says
> "eep".
>
> And it seems like we've gotten three "eep"s on this one, so I think it's
> time to admit that this one didn't work out, and restore the old
> keybinding. (And move the new functionality to some new key binding.)
To tell the truth, after making this change I noticed that I have the same
habit of using 'C-s M-y' to get the last kill ring entry. But I quickly
relearned it because objectively 'C-s C-y' is a better keybinding to do
the same - you don't need to press a different key modifier.
Such changes of keybindings are not something new: in 2011 we changed
'C-s M-y' from 'isearch-yank-kill' to 'isearch-yank-pop', and also
in 2011 changed 'C-s C-y' from 'isearch-yank-line' to 'isearch-yank-kill'
that was a more fundamental change.
Of course, if after trying 'C-s C-y', you'd still prefer the old 'C-s M-y',
we could revert this change, but this would be a step backwards.
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-28 1:09 Recentish C-s M-y change Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-28 8:45 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 17:19 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 17:30 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-28 17:50 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-29 6:05 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29 0:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-29 9:34 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2020-12-29 17:25 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-30 4:57 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30 5:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:28 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01 7:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 9:15 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-02 5:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 9:03 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-02 9:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-02 11:55 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-03 5:58 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 0:04 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-05 6:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 16:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-06 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 9:41 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-08 6:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 9:23 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-05 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 0:13 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-07 7:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 19:12 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-29 18:35 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-29 19:20 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-30 2:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-30 5:08 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30 9:32 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-30 10:08 ` Andreas Röhler
2020-12-30 11:13 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-30 15:12 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-31 15:18 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-31 17:09 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-31 19:09 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 17:50 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-04 18:22 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-13 18:19 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-13 19:34 ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-14 8:44 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-14 15:34 ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-27 22:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-01-28 8:58 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-30 5:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-30 10:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-02 5:36 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-30 10:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-01-30 18:37 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-31 5:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:29 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01 7:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 5:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-30 15:08 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-30 17:32 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-31 5:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 10:44 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 11:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-31 11:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 10:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-01 11:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-01 12:41 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-31 15:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-31 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-01 7:20 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-31 15:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-31 15:29 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-30 15:05 ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-12-30 5:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-29 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29 6:14 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-30 9:33 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-31 5:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29 5:56 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-12-31 17:18 ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-01-01 11:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-01 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-03 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 5:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 17:44 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-04 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-03 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
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