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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265080 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * 2021-02-17 20:37:19+0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Pip Cet writes: >> (apply nil), of course, should continue to crash Emacs. > > Heh heh. I hate to disappoint you, but it no longer does that in Emacs > 28. Could you please make it optional? So that those who want the new behaviour of (apply nil) can get it by doing something like: M-x customize-variable RET apply-nil-will-not-segfault-anymore RET There are many users and third-party packages which depend on the old behaviour. I'll show you stats in a minute... Seriously: I remember one case when I tried to find CONSTANTLY or similar but failed. I wrote some LAMBDA form. No big deal. =2D-=20 /// Teemu Likonen - .-.. https://www.iki.fi/tlikonen/ // OpenPGP: 4E1055DC84E9DFF613D78557719D69D324539450 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIYEARYIAC4WIQTJW2wqtelxC1gHdbitnXWr7pTCcwUCYC16BxAcdGxpa29uZW5A aWtpLmZpAAoJEK2ddavulMJzqMcA/2jCWNTTGsHm1Mc0v5i5Ck7P5MUf0c92C5Le MBBoj+5zAQDk8/zIQtnXEqHVwYmxxECYws4yDnAff+TWhpP9YUusAw== =o72t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--