From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:57:30 +0200 Message-ID: <874kady4l1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <877dfavmzw.fsf@posteo.net> <87czp2c6qd.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14174"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 23:58:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mSnmI-0003SL-FT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:58:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46648 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSnmG-0001wM-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:58:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSnlk-0001I5-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:38776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSnlj-0001QZ-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:57:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=WViLhuScUWAJOG73dEcjvBWvKk8xVp4bsgim5JnRv4o=; b=a+e1GfQ+BOBPM0pjBxltbGEAoW NgTxWO8jSWKOF55B4HXLTcMQmN12LoEp8UQDKCbUy2ly+GJsBDPW1Gw1AcrEJ48b9XnO1Ojoe2etw JsrgZdGQg70oAeU8iiVsUs2BHFZnEaxPBfOJW6s75m2974q7Ih35lp6k3ojBIUH7r7Yk=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mSnlb-0002aB-I3; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:57:34 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEUGBgacmpouIx1e Xl7Nzc5hSCJQJxigdUT///9PZTABAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+UJFRU1CriDr34AAAGX SURBVDjLpZLBbuMgEIYJuD0b0+5eh6HmDEz3vlv3AdpE9rmiCg8QqcrrF+LEsbNZaaXMYQ585v/9 z8DYv6oR3AeShsg5H2aAKtMGb0yL9YvRM4CaGO/Eg+m4EpWbkWeFQQphDElRvZ3P3Uv3YFT2kPJJ qrk7QGmM8UO/pZpV473RzrsLECiHqAjIX4C6ERshJJjqAigltBDPsHm69NBq9VhpWGYYgzDIGfC2 DIexU20aLY13+LYAzrOaiIJxr/USENMOg+jY6zL7b+L5khMbF8LyhmR/lOhW8tH9lYSXbSC/cRtF B6/vNOSnZswVoDKgzTWpPFu4JoVhCswR0U7f0BkUUZrAMZjAU9SDfAGjgf4Fo1Y+we2Pcn+U0l+J f8Rhmyxg6gsIbQGgfwJPqU8ZsPQ1PQAEvcb7aK3NALjZnefyDilFm2J2iSCaE7DgobiW4jgDLfgh h0sfKZZ/nEBC8HgsG++3nyew33GyEaHthzHtEdztd0M+7Id2v8s94l09AmDYr0tmvl1nKVys/zjW bHLzm/j/+gYi10R/xwSwvQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wOS0yMVQyMTo1MzowOSsw MDowMIyj0QMAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDktMjFUMjE6NTM6MDkrMDA6MDD9/mm/ AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Gary Clail's Tackhead Sound System's _Tackhead Tape Time_: "What's My Mission Now? (Fight the Devil)" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:24:02 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275273 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> The point here is to not to have any separate namespace, so that you can >> just can put core packages into ELPA without doing any rewrites. >> What's the concrete risk here? > > I think in practice it's usually not a problem, but I'd be surprised if > there aren't counter examples. We can just start slowly and see whether any problems occur. > So for a library that wants to do it in > a somewhat predictable/systematic way, I think it's much simple to have > all the definitions in a specific namespace (like `compat28-`), and then > it's a small matter of have a trivial `compat28.el` library that comes > with Emacs-28 which has a bunch of `defalias`. The main point here is to be able to put things that are in core into ELPA, too. We don't want to have code in core that goes (compat28-when-let (...) ) so I don't quite understand what you're suggesting here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no