From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275652 Archived-At: Phil Sainty writes: > Won't this break a ton of basic tooling for locating things, if the > symbol in the file is not the actual symbol? Yes, it'll break a lot of tooling. For the record, I was against adding this functionality, but I was outvoted. (Which is fine.) My argument was: If we want to add something along these lines, it should be more like Common Lisp's package system. (Not that that's a perfect system -- I wouldn't want to add it wholesale, but it's pretty good, and we could take the good parts.) And, yes, doing that would also require a lot of tooling changes, which I'd want to see happen before doing it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no