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From: Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: bozhidar@batsov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs packages, GitHub and software freedom
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2022 14:11:34 +0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jzs3txl.fsf@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1o9ej5-0006ff-1M@fencepost.gnu.org>

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Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > This way you are just worsening the situation.  (But you obviously have
>   > the freedom to do that.)  To increase the "contributor-base" outside
>   > GitHub, we have to convince maintainers to move away from GitHub.
>
> I agree.
>
> But I should point out also that GitHub has several bad practices
> that have done great harm to the free software commnity.
> See https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html for
> what they are.  These have happened for years, and we have urged people
> to reject GitHub for years.
>
> -- 
> Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
> Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
> Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
> Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
>
>

And obviously, we need federation.  AFAIK we have federation for social
network, but not yet for software development.  And this is even more
important for developer freedom (user freedom is already guaranteed by
license), so that they can participate in development using any forge
instance, increasing contributor-base outside GitHub and breaking the
GitHub monopoly.

There is a project called ForgeFed <https://forgefed.org/> working on
this.  It says that Gitea is implementing that (maybe draft)
specification.  Will Savannah implement fedaration?  And by the way,
what's the status of FSF's new forge?  There is no update for (maybe) a
year.

This discussion is no longer related to Emacs, but related to free
software philosophy and/or politics.  Where should we move it?
emacs-tangent list doesn't seem to be a good fit, since this is not
related to Emacs at all.

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Akib Azmain Turja

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-08  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-06 13:32 Emacs packages, GitHub and software freedom Akib Azmain Turja
2022-07-06 13:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-06 13:58 ` Yoni Rabkin
2022-07-06 14:29   ` Gerry Agbobada
2022-07-06 14:33   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2022-07-06 16:17     ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-07-06 16:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-06 18:03         ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-07-06 18:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-06 18:48           ` Yoni Rabkin
2022-07-06 19:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-06 19:28               ` Yoni Rabkin
2022-07-06 19:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-08  3:32       ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-08  8:11         ` Akib Azmain Turja [this message]
2022-07-08  8:18           ` Po Lu
2022-07-08 10:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-06 15:22   ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-07-06 20:52     ` Tim Cross
2022-07-06 22:31       ` Yoni Rabkin
2022-07-08  3:32       ` Richard Stallman

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