From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Alternative build systems Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: <874jy2j4s9.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <83wnb1bt96.fsf@gnu.org> <87a67vuwmo.fsf@gnus.org> <41a702f1-60fb-65fb-3862-d198c46cd6e6@gmail.com> <87sflnqaub.fsf@gnus.org> <87a67vhtat.fsf@telefonica.net> <83wnaz6ioy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23317"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Syhgr2CY4hjojfYQn9aAqwq5Nkw= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 18:38:42 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWvK-0005vH-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:38:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWvH-0000mn-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:38:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWtI-0008JK-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:36:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:45220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWtF-0003Ix-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:36:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWtD-0002mS-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:36:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293905 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Apart from better performance, CMake would simplify the scripts a great >> deal. > > Not IME, not with the many complications and different configurations > we support. E.g., does Gnulib support CMake builds? When I made the CMake build system for LLVM/Clang, it was about 1.5 orders of magnitude less verbose than the autoconf-based system for feature parity. CMake has the advantage of being procedural (like an ordinary scripting language) and declarative (like `make'). This makes possible to use a high level of abstraction that helps a lot when dealing with complexity. For the Gnulib question, I can't answer, I don't know what it involves. A quick web search says that Gnulib is tightly tied with autoconf and messages like this are a bit gloomy: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2019-08/msg00091.html