From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Visuwesh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:09:39 +0530 Message-ID: <874jy1cd9g.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87h721aaip.fsf@gmail.com> <19836bad-89c6-b8e6-6a09-f3be5f97ce77@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15376"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Payas Relekar , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 25 07:05:01 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oR534-0003hL-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:04:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40116 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oR533-0001eg-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46870) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oR1qV-0005Fl-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-x544.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::544]:44807) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oR1qT-0000kS-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x544.google.com with SMTP id c24so16561357pgg.11 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:39:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc; bh=YnEZdIWuEYOBMAkR+JylLBi6ZrlR34dkJjm+tqtpdcw=; b=i5x3Ji/Q5YLSJ4S9Zchx0UbHj6mONnzeXuWf5h5rfHKDGrMo4cTyn+CrdfjLOmkqAl /HdDs3oJPyj2JvGW3O5TSG7pkMAZC6+ukT5qkTe7Z0DiauuTHkbGF/7Wx/mNV0194HuX oZ6mIg+nlu3qztKx6yB475/WeiYInTTvpkHb45UCbwP6ySAZJGr1gmPnyIbl5GpeYapC pX0HRHkZ7W3Z/ZB8gASKka0BvYj5IZo9Jtm8DjOKBS7wjpINf0pPAeqg+Akhm+jrY2Ga zyg64HwTN67atUGLjB8i/koA+7mPMOzzUZM0KnyOMqT7hxBZvp7Y0BnMMwOnJ5ZJCP0q vQBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc; bh=YnEZdIWuEYOBMAkR+JylLBi6ZrlR34dkJjm+tqtpdcw=; b=B+bRntYgL1ip/v3FrR41PAI53bp6ryFIOPuKPQ+/kN3aZ4nif3aZ829Wz0vVVsUmiy Lrw9NLbgTCQYpgf60RoPrdGhf4RGSOXoE0rafV58Dx2jQkFqh93LRIV8dU3mblFqYIN6 YsKMit9FKcrcvWoxYl/VWX3vQhfS4CK+X3iPcT8HoZfXfsHEjli7Qkmn8uw1Xe2GwJF/ yzWZU8iPp6M6YiW1TrEyoVlPH+ODwNOtVBrjU7TVEKrHE4cw5pQjqgQch5Y0Tx4RjVCd gjr7L0+6NXakoKd/RX0ml7+SXTXOzUVE0t7dHRCRTZfw5qoJyEvZ50dFQ1ur93umXl45 WLhw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0JMVq9p8WTlJKfJPgRIB3V/a4aVwQbDuNY0LQCcjgT8t4G2L5I TydvBcy78Oh0S42F8nvChaQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6wuXUVCrfREDmhR+7si3+D8F4hV3JBUNr8fm1OGFAktj/ZQEsghts6R9deQwWglMUlv/G5Ww== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1741:b0:536:baed:52ee with SMTP id j1-20020a056a00174100b00536baed52eemr1777938pfc.68.1661391582689; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([118.185.152.162]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m6-20020a1709026bc600b0016c9e5f290esm11247224plt.10.2022.08.24.18.39.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19836bad-89c6-b8e6-6a09-f3be5f97ce77@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:10:07 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::544; envelope-from=visuweshm@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x544.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:03:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294067 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A4=E0=AE=A9=E0=AF=8D =E0=AE=86=E0=AE=95=E0=AE=B8= =E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AF=8D 24, 2022] Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 24.08.2022 19:08, Payas Relekar wrote: >> Dmitry Gutov writes: >>=20 >>> "decent contrast" is a fairly low bar. >>> >> Yet surprising amount of*modern* software fails to clear it.. >> I'm just glad modus-themes makes 'contrast' issues thing of the past >> in >> Emacs. Now if icons acheive the same feat, I might just enable the >> toolbar. > > I'm very much in favor of good contrast myself (and light background > themes). > > But whatever issues one might find with a black-on-white icon set, low > contrast is unlikely to be one of them. > > Even though I suppose the base background color of the frame also > plays a role. Like you said in your reply to Po Lu, the lack of "visual detail" is a major pain point with these monochrome icons. When I used GIMP for the first time in a while, I was hit by their new monochrome (low contrast too) icons and I was handicapped. I could not tell which icon was which tool from a glance and I had to wait for the tooltip to show up. I regularly have this problem with drawing as well. The fully coloured icons help me to tell what one thing does in a glance as I look at the "colour" and decide what I need but with monochrome icons, I have to rely on the detail which is more taxing on my brain when I'm in auto-pilot.