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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305728 Archived-At: Mohsen BANAN writes: [...] > Eli, if you have not used straight.el, I suggest > experimenting with it. And again sorry about > having been overly cryptic. I have never used straight.el either (mainly because of the need aggressive incompatibility with package.el and my dislike of having a big bootstrap-blob at the beginning of my init), but I have been working on package-vc that a lot of people have apparently been using as a replacement for package.el. Recently there has been some work on supporting arbitrary build-commands that could be executed alongside the package compilation. I have been told that this is a major feature difference between the current state of package-vc and the straight/elpaca family of package managers. As you seem to have some experience with the topic, do you believe this could be helpful to address your issue? I am uncertain if this is something worth investing an effort into, as the issues that Emacs lisp packaging struggles with are not only those of finding a set of compatible revisions.