From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: compat.el and Emacs unstable master branch features (was: bug#63513: [PATCH] Make persist-defvar work with records and hash tables) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2023 12:12:14 +0000 Message-ID: <874jk37dgh.fsf@localhost> References: <87wn1axgh6.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <83jzx925lv.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5xubwoo.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <87v8csku60.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <83cyyz94c6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5u2ydzg.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <83msy25g0s.fsf@gnu.org> <624CBB7F-1442-400D-8D4D-1B26EBE9DACB@breatheoutbreathe.in> <877cp5bmig.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <871qvz4kdw.fsf@localhost> <8734zoaolv.fsf@localhost> <87fs3o8uil.fsf@localhost> <87msxwa8kd.fsf@breatheoutbreathe.in> <87il8j7ji9.fsf@localhost> <80479897-500e-fe60-6586-0a44ccb5993b@daniel-mendler.de> <877coz7f6h.fsf@localhost> <86d6e412-9e5b-9086-56ce-e3794085096a@daniel-mendler.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31676"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Joseph Turner , Stefan Monnier , Adam Porter , Eli Zaretskii , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ~pkal/compat-devel@lists.sr.ht To: Daniel Mendler Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 09 14:12:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qewov-000834-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 14:12:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qewo5-0001xE-QM; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 08:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qewo3-0001wf-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 08:11:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qewo0-0000Hy-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 08:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98B7F240028 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2023 14:11:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1694261474; bh=4D8FzHUx7RlCUP9wc40XYDso4NBHlHy+yMoopeWVZyU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=LB4oWdA7XT97UXsEYHfD7Z6F2Lpofi2o8CRUawQ3K6DMCO5PEmogYZngqjLkSFsQ1 gDvVZU+OSFSUq6VCna+goi7nENCc7HvXJdC5p2zsDo2cGiQzXMxOdxa05g2LEw9kWo pXze1r+4NiU3ULMIAoV5FQ0QIa/SnHob7MuZkaLunpeIvqx3dNDFuRgRab6QUWRRWC eAiOO/NEeJFtn3zT7CV7Ko+0EuFqb7WEENRGDgJy+bXGsvXqlLEVKsfm9I1wScEeEe czZlqARlnnVWbfXW8f97VZbTEvFNsOfSQ5xWN2thvv1MxH5j+YVmqug5bKrXqiiNNp o+8StcyyQIpGA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RjWzP2kmgz6twD; Sat, 9 Sep 2023 14:11:13 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <86d6e412-9e5b-9086-56ce-e3794085096a@daniel-mendler.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310400 Archived-At: Daniel Mendler writes: > On 9/9/23 13:35, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> So using Compat here has to wait until compat-30.x is released. >> >> And do I understand correctly that compat-30 will only be released after >> Emacs 30 is released? If so, it is awkward for :core packages. > > compat-30 can be released as soon as Emacs 30 has been reasonably > stabilized, e.g., when the emacs-30 branch has been frozen, or a bit > before that. We cannot release much earlier since APIs may still change > and it is probably undesired to release unfinished APIs to the public > too early. For reference, I've created the compat-29.1.1 release around > the day that Eli announced the emacs-29 branch freeze. I understand the logic, but it does not make things less awkward. Sometimes, Emacs core packages that are also distributed on ELPA rely on bugfixes (changed functions) or new functions from master. It is indeed viable to copy-paste the needed functions into the package code, but it _feels_ like something compat.el may provide support for. May it be possible to provide a public API in compat.el to define compat function versions before they appear in compat.el properly? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at