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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f3b4c912dc0bc4c800e73460dbeef301; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:54:24 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87bkd12en1.fsf@> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sat, 14 Oct 2023 22:22:10 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21797 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311461 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > there are various packages around that e.g. i3 mode that filter > visible-frame list with i3 ipc to only get the frames from the current > desktop, similar also ace-window uses such functionality by using > visible-frame-list or x-window-parameters directly (comparing > _NET_WM_DESKTOP with _NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP). > The tried to find any reference that Emacs is doing something similar to = visible-frame-list > by couldn't. This isn't necessary. Window managers place frames situated within non-current virtual desktops in the Iconic state by custom, and such frames are accounted invisible by Emacs. Unless i3 contravenes this established practice, such explicit comparison is unnecessary and expensive. > For Qt/KDE the kde protocol extension version matches to the current > version of frameworks, KDE sets the lowest minimum for each version. > The distro's don't really change that. > > KDE and wlroots seem to work together on protocols, e.g. by wlroots > basing on protocol on the other. My point is, not enjoying the patronage of those protocols' developers, we are in no position to maintain up-to-date support for the many versions that are undoubtedly present on our user's computers. > My point being that Emacs doesn't agree with the Wayland restrictions > set by GNOME if the PGTK when using GDK Wayland should match the > features of the other ports. > If those features are found in protocols defined by KDE and WLR and are > also implemented in various compositors using either of them, then I > think it makes sense to think about adapting these protocols. Please see above.