From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:48:08 +0100 Message-ID: <874jhi3qx3.fsf@web.de> References: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6581"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Jim Porter , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 12:48:39 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4gI3-0001aX-CS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:48:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4gHU-0000WI-Do; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 06:48:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4gHS-0000Up-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 06:48:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4gHQ-0008Sm-M0; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 06:48:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1700394475; x=1700999275; i=michael_heerdegen@web.de; bh=8sUWtx8MMhWi5YjWaaDSH0bQAxcNka9t+h2MshSJrVQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Date; b=p6cnQj2+8odfWgkVX2vrDtiPwIkGH+yNxeKdX41bYi2/NMgHOu+2W3csrmGxlvDe sso6UOyQuhf7ElUrNnv2JOdTWJ0viReSvimlJyDdWzDsdFUdKxsxeSbMx6pTO2Z+t ywN/JiIWYjvPMqh1RwGhAsv41Sekew308puzwhdefgSVyRm112eT8kAQqrqOlF+qx r28dpRIyLc8TRRw+mArplyrlpowiFPQBvpjSm8aUbGNWX8SSXg0uZmLY9pksqCNJC /vOido2eZR1W6RmaL+TAoV97T3porKnlSh+LY6yhpgS1opUHHTaQRUxtbxZsbYgBl EcfH1gbyFRbxhLbUlQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([178.6.28.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MTfol-1quPFW02QP-00TwWG; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:47:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:36:46 +0800") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lmKSfNbNIwXHxDc6y/ywwKqOGesZUtlKPUAguAWaDs0/wq9CURq o4WFO+Q0J7omOrdtIiLkdR4jnd9xox2y+49AcwZwG6MriT7+WBkN6I1+kn/+ERjQGypWbYZ zi8dR+0ZW7v/lXrA3kdh+ZHPqYdkp1JSVuRX8+WChQB2ESatZRNwbHCHU+lJ5X7xnvDnyQo BNsZVFpxqpUVl5wNXmL5w== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:txiLV0trY+Q=;hjG9BeBbGUcRyhBncww447uyyBQ isncjh8Q+kypERWkSCfU5uwogLLMEfB4IMj7GFM3iPrDeIbFhf2beGW1kvWbgcWAuG8tVslzb b4FhyW5dREoHTzr+Lm5Pr4QYnB565hRfemZXXeOXZE+rF+QvvjkN0JkL/KsTM54tC7JElkxh+ 8eO7O/AOtiigQKVjkjG798Yyuvf1pVZFwWM1MaVHctIluT3wU6TzOOcH9JHD5bvs+G1WCLJTm poP67iz6xLLiTWaEdeo0Ef+3/M2aqOQrFRLoaZSQGNEj4lWFtm4R01Ibi2/s3ToRlrSC4tC6D dzpAjnD2LT8rafzhwynjD5FKypb56eA27q9mN+ijOSw9UXHPpoJYz5eupgUpaagMJI0MazrBY 23h6sfyInWo2bfoqQWELzXc3sfL39X0lEDj1hTsJddlCBlAj4uDxSXJDiAxEicjHTwYrQSG7N eX8KQI9cM8PeEgpxYlFrTJmF8C7ztUXTMUtDj5OVYKM7ne9q0Xo1DCLc6CN7//wQ1V5fJBTGp QDFjqeshegNiafi6QDrev/oAOfneZR6NAzCtnMIh9G/mGC2PiEV9Sf/rKFFCEsWzVWEIQMaDJ IVHPLl11393FFXpyvEZIxFDqLflw6B6ACe5WeC3B0TKDWHFNPaGiVi1UhgdgcJR/rTrGKwZj0 tz8R/qLHF2QApy/7dWm6IehzlUa6a1+3cGQeogrBRKnnKNoikftySOeTLRsV1p95U1rSohQTb 3FsySzlZ5RkVFv5b3d/rGlEPCnZUqNpKadWv3vohItN8a6Mw1W6zgWKdtVQ75o56gFLuEPD2 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.11; envelope-from=michael_heerdegen@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312965 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Much as the linguistically inclined enjoy acquiring an abstruse > language, so certain programmers may relish the occasion to acquire a > new and intricate construct. Nevertheless, and your singular > experience notwithstanding "abstruse language" - "singular experience" ...(?) - sorry, are we people having understood pcase in few minutes some kind of aliens, compared to the "normal people"? Do we not count? Because we are not loud and angry and outraged? For you it seems to be a fact that `pcase' is something complicated and most people don't like it. Eh - no? Pardon - but when I was able to learn `pcase' in one minute from a few lines of the original docstring, there must be something missing in that picture. I don't know why it is harder for you to learn it. But something is not a fact because you feel like it would be. What I don't like here in this discussion is that some people are not willing to accept that other people make different experiences with the same things. This is the death to any constructive discussion. It is impossible to find a good solution for everybody under such circumstances. And note that you are weakening your position when discussing like this. I can't take someone seriously when I see that s?he is not able to think along the viewpoints of others. Interesting would be to hear concrete arguments, but we heard nearly none. "I'm angry" is not an argument. Michael.