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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: mardani29@yahoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Q: Is there a built-in way to read multiple file names?
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2024 17:47:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j916qlv.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86o77914sh.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> > I think you are generalizing the wrong UI.  A good UI for specifying
>> > several file names is not reading them one after the other, it is
>> > marking the files you want to operate on, and then clicking GO.  Like
>> > in Ibuffer, for example.
>> 
>> I 100% agree.
>> That's what helm provides, say, for `completing-read-multiple'.
>> But for `read-file-name' specifically, there is no way to extend the
>> built-in completion.
>
> We have Ibuffer and Dired (and other similar features), which
> functions that return lists of marked entities.  That is what needs
> to be used for multiple selections, not some loop over read-file-name
> and its ilk.

My concern about dired and similar is that it is not possible to exit
them and go back to the original place as easily as C-g in the
completion prompt. Interactive narrowing is also not as easy as in the
completion.

>> I wish that *completions* buffer allowed selecting multiple candidates
>> at once when using `completing-read-multiple' or similar commands.
>
> I think completion is the wrong framework for this purpose, because
> the user might want to select files/buffers/whatever whose names don't
> share anything in common.

IMHO, helm proves that completion framework can be used for very quick
selection. It does it via:

1. The notion of "current" candidate from the list that can be navigated
   right from the minibuffer (like next/previous-completion in the
   *completions*)
2. minibuffer command to mark/unmark candidates quickly
3. ability to retain marked candidates even the prompt input changes

I find it quick and convenient to use, despite being a completion
framework.

I also do not see why the same cannot be done based on the basis of
completion-list-mode.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-07 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-07  7:22 Q: Is there a built-in way to read multiple file names? Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07 13:26 ` Daniel Martín
2024-07-07 15:56   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07 16:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 17:18       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07 17:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 17:47           ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-07-07 17:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 21:24               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-07-13 13:57                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-13 18:56                   ` Drew Adams
2024-07-14 12:38                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-14 17:23                       ` Drew Adams
2024-07-15 18:56                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-15 19:44                           ` Drew Adams
2024-07-17 17:21                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-17 19:49                               ` Drew Adams
2024-07-13 13:43               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-13 13:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-13 14:15                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-13 14:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-14 12:16                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-14 13:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-15 18:52                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-15 19:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-15 19:52                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-16 10:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-23 11:13                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 12:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-23 16:30                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 16:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-23 16:40                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 17:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-23 16:02                                     ` Yuri Khan
2024-07-23 17:35                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-07-16  5:09                             ` Yuri Khan
2024-07-13 14:19                 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2024-07-13 14:19                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-08 12:00       ` Max Nikulin
2024-07-13 14:00         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-14  9:00           ` Max Nikulin
2024-07-14 12:33             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-15 12:12               ` Max Nikulin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-07-13 16:28 Rahguzar
2024-07-14 12:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-14 20:29   ` Rahguzar

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