From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thanos Apollo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Newbie Info Pages Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:28:46 +0300 Message-ID: <874j6jeo01.fsf@thanosapollo.org> References: <87wmjg4tkq.fsf@posteo.net> <391666A2-D4BA-4DFE-9FF6-CAA48797EC97@summerstar.me> <87seu44r6o.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6006"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic , Summer Emacs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 13 14:29:52 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sp5Qt-0001RR-9r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2024 14:29:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sp5Q2-0000aL-LK; Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:28:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sp5Q0-0000VE-1C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:28:56 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.forwardemail.net ([149.28.215.223]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sp5Px-0004Ag-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:28:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thanosapollo.org; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Date: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Cc: To: From; q=dns/txt; s=fe-4dbabb00f3; t=1726230526; bh=UH6G8i9IGz3zH2PaveCEgaeAdLSO8uKNK60N6AwFN3Q=; b=PC8I2lTytX04xxrPdVFW1AFjLET9ZEBVG6YICzgqsI1RgA1o3BQRMU1aK6tcDAgcW+7AB6PUZ /4Q6vwD1a0590FeehI/K8tCVRaieRMzK+NzMOlnTpQqYojzCqB52ZVqm2o9OlAaT79O98gfaNW7 wxg9O0zPl4iAJvGcn1B600M= In-Reply-To: <87seu44r6o.fsf@posteo.net> X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-Report-Abuse: abuse@forwardemail.net Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-ForwardEmail-Version: 0.4.40 X-ForwardEmail-Sender: rfc822; public@thanosapollo.org, smtp.forwardemail.net, 149.28.215.223 X-ForwardEmail-ID: 66e42feb1270aa756be66b29 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=149.28.215.223; envelope-from=SRS0=3888=QM=thanosapollo.org=public@fe-bounces.thanosapollo.org; helo=smtp.forwardemail.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323588 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Philip Kaludercic writes: [...] > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > [package avy] > set all-windows all-frames > bind C-z avy-goto-word-1 > > [package auctex] > set TeX-master dwim > hook TeX-language-de-hook site/use-german > rebind RET newline=20 > > [package bash-completion] > (bash-completion-setup) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > where the common patterns are simplified and made safe (e.g. the "set" > directive wouldn't evaluate) but still remains powerful, as you can > intersperse lisp code. If I ever get around to finishing this -- or > anyone else decides to steal the idea ;) -- then adding this to the core > and loading ~/.emacs.d/init.conf if it exists might be a useful thing to > mention in a newbie manual. > Using non-lispy language for configuring Emacs wouldn't be appropriate, as it could make using emacs lisp intimidating. It would be preferable to gently guide and support a user in their first steps with setting up emacs, using emacs lisp, to help them accomplish their tasks effectively. A better option might be to adopt a system similar to =3Ddoom!=3D macro that enables "modules" in Doom Emacs for OOB experience (e.g., Python development, emails etc). Additionally, a web page or wiki detailing recommended packages and their use-package snippets for various programming languages and tasks that emacs developers use & recommend would be helpful, even more than a getting started guide. I should also note that the info pages are really well done & the code that is written in emacs is well documented for users eager to delve deeper once they're more confident. However, reaching that point can be daunting. =2D-=20 Thanos Apollo https://thanosapollo.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJMBAEBCAA2FiEEYrdY0PZxmTi8Cc7KM59zbDpyCSgFAmbkL/4YHHB1YmxpY0B0 aGFub3NhcG9sbG8ub3JnAAoJEDOfc2w6cgkoVm4P/RzFMJM1isM04We6iJhc2twc mrfp2gKmxeynAOSbbTaNArWp0Ct5QR6S8D+055j2kvR6Y2GxvVTOKLMAmHSXSAbg CvM6edXpEFlts/ylzxXnTmFrpP2whHV08VUPPG7aA4EuD447CrJV3Dp5WeB55awB GzLtKRxwXjxh4EV7hA7UP23QX1gMxpU3KeDvEE4kOxEZQtxRhvQuoM68Tjs1cNE3 FviEOhyxaaV+H1RumG0tQfBH2oddTteK43ap6I8BhyOhd1IBOy6gouNdTMiFNXY5 jUBcVdbd51uBkh+BcP8EyZbBjfKX3po4MhlJJORdEfi+BS2Uli1iQd8vdoQcBo5P cySdNGernRKbLHoUgIoZd2mbzb/icMTFoXNO+CX1RQJY+xo/ZDUiizKFLJhI03pL 56iCdGtqE52FOBIoTv9gSAGq37ZiD0/k85VcA0BoOQKhlKa9BxPhxK3mhMytBK0J WW/4mTvkXC72qsuGNzHtJJejWUXdJiAD/y/dBLWaVUPZorIe9gHHDYpcE7qZEA13 BkahXC8POV3iPBLNuqSD8glS6GJaWI/AxQczye9Q3VqA1FaWDyj6gMLNoxdMakLO RvWA8UGtPaUPo8iXHBujNIEZrVY20woC9VH/U2dbUtk3BL4PNuj7F/dFAqM4YJm0 4/IWe5TPkVWFHXu9GwDj =2Q+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--