From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question about =?utf-8?Q?=C3=BCarent-frame?= changes Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 16:41:24 +0800 Message-ID: <874j6c2fyj.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <9bc2af0a-d3c1-4ba6-a350-af6e2b85695d@gmx.at> <86ikut9bup.fsf@gnu.org> <86h6ac9r4r.fsf@gnu.org> <305d3b43-9963-46c4-8a58-33dd87dd3c99@gmx.at> <86zfo4836w.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11805"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: martin rudalics , gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 19 10:42:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1srCk7-0002uy-CP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srCjN-0002Yu-Ie; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 04:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srCjL-0002YX-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 04:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic317-34.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.45]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srCjI-0001DV-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 04:41:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1726735294; bh=ILdmN8bwFBvLX/mSGitg2GAbV/3aBRaRM4+Wy4miH6Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=QdQ9oeENyVxXHl02O1ZS7sZScM2dfuMxIxysQ5aX/Z+lUv9TL9NMIF7HmyvEOJSHivrev9OxVFDNkywZ9qxoIv4KxCj6MasyjirckiD9e4d0RtMtI8uzj9xjZ0cNceavs3qDh+mvj627eMzZNHoOeI/YL8rXBMusItmQRLDRoZzvKLLRq2MLaPuQvRNT2B636+RQUFI3vXzDj95tfEUSJ6iLWK6TEi9ezkCgcxZF0pbhTwjx1JXEp5Y6eEmnJhgm0bY9bibX/FCqAYGB7JTM3pW3uM3WoR3138W+RKAJB9VIWbb/6JgGWfSsAd87rHD1om+D7f4gJJn0uMoZe/fXmA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1726735294; bh=I9sNHEf7Ber/Grda+N8sn+PumhcRMU5lNCmSk1qqUPo=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=NiC3YOGg7/8+OKebLtiA7YhRLdQqgsDeQYeAXuW24qku+lcbH+GJtG9hBjqXfNThWWRiITW5c+ifW2LGFoHax+VT8hLvzVxXWtW8s7HvPzaDX2ythz+KR1Umkva3k4g4kAPHgNvLtiNFF2oSBMq5WSrWF+G4CYNJomHdAKWIeCkHD6X861fauNMVm72iFhQvGeVxpRO+dFt3dYyAEmqGDTs+VvqrifkrKHeknA+QUiply61Y1N9N1Ysg0AujmFoNKsIla8xuaV6xqI+FV85EKe2I/9OjsT4LusfIEMGl5MLTiAYOkQ7rQ1BBW8e1Rprs79qOOIrB2jY5llsmvamu5Q== X-YMail-OSG: KWhK2xgVM1kHDcr9QlOQ.2fG2JTd1lhsZWyHRBJNJxFxUJS28DXuLQiXEm1mAOw XdbzI4lM9XSbqfsvtqnwjYSNfJkgTaskkfgMulfgVQTqlDzGm6zRHyeHJQcWLdCmu_IjVfrj2oYc 9GByB88I5iuNu0MWQTXwec2wlSGk1EGc8RNZOxwm4icGl6Dj8cfXw2rz56RSJn9EQBGKu0RUKing Up8hl1WvBd_Vk.ytAo6rdPsYpnWaeSgD.nSjzNHD3uXRbQt1ZlsPc3moM8disnjkmHaJhthhrESv IfjkuEymvDHTU40Ygu.EiXW906RgQOn9T_VUYz5qcomn8CDVtoe.ru73T_kFowdCP0porhxgiwFk uMUwlQBqlNe3ZcmcnQZ5MMGrwWiqd1KN7H0h_5s3umsymQu9M0LgjAzqCBoBaCNb5oZAbJEiDSdD CuGhhk6lHLfq8.VpmPEAojKkc9DGQSnSEz4nyrEmIFjK9qquDiqau_H3KBKyGx2yI5VKw21E5Ad. fhYK1hPTrzUdhUW7jKrxc1ngLvyi9htemT5Fox_5xM9L5pl1CAukjWK16IRCuG5Kr95aTxLZsS9A sEy8TlfQQwmtrye1rirynyFpdEYA21tbZkcTDnw8LajvR9YIEQ6buSGzLlArU8Ecx54idQAzZQpt drkgfQTIPEMLQqSOOW7crSFn3bqhuon88MixBCzYbCZAOjXfxiTUl5ViOHKM4ewTwlSPU29Igynr PQuky9u6CQtNoxBZhRg4Jt59ggbwCgdROonjswIMzPKDazoVl1ZuuIVcW5XtwD3jWqYH4Rs8kocJ dbaeDBmBjZc5Dx7vVYjcjhmhob0o11iohVelfL2cmQ X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 3f97a56a-7c71-4e2d-9f2f-7ea2c05e7e53 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 08:41:34 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-fc85cddf6-pbnn7 (Yahoo Inc. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323761 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:10:11 +0200 >> Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: martin rudalics >> >> > sounds not very useful to me on a TTY, because switching frames on a >> > TTY will make the child frame invisible anyway. And why would I want >> > to see a child of frame F1 when I display only frame F2? >> >> Because the calling code may reparent the child frame from F1 to F2 >> whenever the user switches from frame F1 to frame F2. At least Po Lu >> said that applications do such reparenting. > > Isn't that the same as simply showing the child frame even though its > parent frame is obscured? > > And I'd need to hear more details about what the application wants to > achieve by such reparenting, to understand the issue. They simply wish to retain created child frames for as long a period as possible, because frame creation is expensive, and configuring a child frame to behave as intended is hard work. See posframe.el (on ELPA) for a typical instance, where three years ago I encountered the same dilemma with the Haiku port.