From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thanos Apollo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 23:03:21 +0300 Message-ID: <874j5lxcvq.fsf@thanosapollo.org> References: <874j5ql4pd.fsf@posteo.net> <87a5fdhlyg.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87wmih6xa7.fsf@posteo.net> <877cahxffi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86ttdl2ig5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14026"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: maciaschain@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 09 22:04:15 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sycus-0003SF-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:04:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sycuA-0008O3-Br; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:03:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sycu8-0008Ne-Mf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:03:28 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.forwardemail.net ([149.28.215.223]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sycu6-0004dC-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:03:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thanosapollo.org; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Date: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Cc: To: From; q=dns/txt; s=fe-4dbabb00f3; t=1728504203; bh=KtZk9Sh54GlJN7iSJNINxQSoX+qHstIeochF5vDa1II=; b=y+pY76qvQvD3NT/DZkQAAaxY4/PLqwsvd0gpw0RfaT0NWW7v/09XXB3t5qDuCdFYJwnAL1Qw6 Sbju9pSl8OlIbF5TP2NRCtWNNaXiFRfFLWJn6e3W8b5czh+dKPEEUbIgzRbzJyVN5eAiRK5sXkt XgCywt4oFbZggu9lthum6RM= In-Reply-To: <86ttdl2ig5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-Report-Abuse: abuse@forwardemail.net Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-ForwardEmail-Version: 0.4.40 X-ForwardEmail-Sender: rfc822; public@thanosapollo.org, smtp.forwardemail.net, 149.28.215.223 X-ForwardEmail-ID: 6706e171867e7dca19cf3d06 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=149.28.215.223; envelope-from=SRS0=1109=RG=thanosapollo.org=public@fe-bounces.thanosapollo.org; helo=smtp.forwardemail.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324455 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: [...] > > Our input methods are not carved in stone, so if you think some > sequences are missing, feel free to submit patches that add them. > There's no reason to complain about stuff we can easily fix, right? > I appreciate all the work it's done with Emacs & the support it provides. Do not see this is as complaning, but as "why this is not a greek-polytonic input method" instead of the word "issues" that I used. [...] > > It could make sense to have a separate Coptic input method. The fact > that Greek and Coptic use the same script doesn't mean a single input > method must support both. Emacs input methods are specific to > languages, not to scripts (i.e. Unicode blocks). Some input methods want to support a mix of both with the addition of latin characters, others also include japanese characters. There is nothing wrong with that, I'm just stating why they should not be regarded as greek-polytonic. Most input methods in greek.el except "greek" do not really want to be Greek but a mixture of different things + Greek to support their authors use case. There is no need to change them since they serve their purpose just fine. > >> When GNU Emacs started Greek "polytonic" was the official language. > > AFAIK, Greek monotonic was make official around 1984, which is way > before Emacs started supporting multiple languages (about 12 years > later) and input methods. I was born in the 2000s, Emacs is twice my age. What I meant is within the Emacs existence the official greek was polytonic & should not be viewed as an "exotic" input method, but instead similarly to "greek", since there are people who use it on their day jobs. polytonic-greek might be the "greek" in the future, that's why we need a new input method that's compatible with the current "greek". This way there won't be complaining if that ever happens. I'm just trying to help, if I didn't I wouldn't spent any time trying to explain the current issues & trying to provide solutions. =2D-=20 Thanos Apollo https://thanosapollo.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJMBAEBCAA2FiEEYrdY0PZxmTi8Cc7KM59zbDpyCSgFAmcG4YkYHHB1YmxpY0B0 aGFub3NhcG9sbG8ub3JnAAoJEDOfc2w6cgko20AP/3YuFA8J0rcmh9lvRsy14kxb 0hCzB1+mbXVX29X1zXms1RVe5Bf8pwgrjBIbDMu2yGSsPrpceJiCR+qack4DKFvC a8UJ2aprlfkyqwBDxCyAhk5QyWOdEkAfKZ5VZg2fOb+QsMHCx0ECj0PAjFowi3up /d6gH7+wKnXgzUg8+33EbpbYusmbOcmHuSQdtKpSjKUhcUF800WDl6jarz5bLXTJ zZRe7l4CRm1UiimhhpwD23Q52z62J5Z7zeDjokSsM++0zn34URrh9ne8E+vFgmlp ZYuJtMAfGQB5N8i+6R4aCZW62qv1Zk+CnoUJIgKokryuDETmgkjAsaTrOFGr+NRT qrgDJ/v7Kpug6NJgKfClEEsoTrHPr8tZaqXRoV8VkgtTUM3JZbKJIyRWKZbzQj3R ghn9OUSUSYZZbDf1h2DIAa73mOoNvFlgsY5myRefdwsfqYxvhZ73nPiBIlJ+A7sj qysd/8uyGjufk//y0UKZTC8eENjSkm03hglyzwtiN1naZeEGKCS4b1ZPz8zHkMoG kfuQ6tZnDdNOPDX4x91V3uU17kDAsmYEovNK06hEcREd3c+c2mC3n+hUrbrPJ17a gY2qIhlKhYHWT97qdwr2xaaV2rHJfLjo6QWTAn2I43l3ZZgGFuYhjqfydrWvWW9B H8hqZBH8Di0NzRVq38nF =UHBt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--