emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[D. Goel]

Greetings

Just saw this in the TODO of emacscvs. 
,----
| * Add a --pristine startup flag which does -q --no-site-file plus
|   ignoring X resources (Doze equivalents?) and most of the
|   environment.  What should not be ignored needs consideration.
`----


Can we either change this to -vanilla, or else alias -vanilla to
--pristine?

In xemacs, -vanilla is exactly equivalent to -q -no-site-file, so if
our --pristine turns out to do something different, then we should
have a -vanilla that is exactly -q -no-site-file

the reason I think we should have a -vanilla is not just for xemacs
consistency, but also emacs -q --no-site-file is too much of a
mouthful, especially when telling newbies about it, and not easy for
them to remember either.


PS: Is there a good way to search for emacs-devel archives (other than
loading each one in the browser in turn and doing a search-forward?),
so i can check for similar topics before posting, to avoid duplicates?


DG                                 http://deego.gnufans.org/~deego/
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Re: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[Stefan Monnier]

> In xemacs, -vanilla is exactly equivalent to -q -no-site-file, so if
> our --pristine turns out to do something different, then we should
> have a -vanilla that is exactly -q -no-site-file
> 
> the reason I think we should have a -vanilla is not just for xemacs
> consistency, but also emacs -q --no-site-file is too much of a
> mouthful, especially when telling newbies about it, and not easy for
> them to remember either.

Assuming we have a --pristine (or --vanilla) which does -q --no-site-file
plus ignoring Xresources etc... what would be the point of
having yet-another-option for -q --no-site-file ?
After all, we would then tell people to use --pristine anyway since
it's better than -q --no-site-file.


	Stefan

Re: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[Miles Bader]

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 03:48:14PM -0500, D. Goel wrote:
> PS: Is there a good way to search for emacs-devel archives (other than
> loading each one in the browser in turn and doing a search-forward?),
> so i can check for similar topics before posting, to avoid duplicates?

You could use google; I think the syntax for a site-specific search is to
include a word like `site:foo.bar.com' in your search specifications.  E.g.,
you could searching for something like:

  something interesting emacs-devel site:mail.gnu.org

That only catches things that are old enough to be in google of course, but
it's easy enough to just deal with the current month separately.

-Miles
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Re: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[Miles Bader]

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 03:48:14PM -0500, D. Goel wrote:
> Can we either change this to -vanilla, or else alias -vanilla to
> --pristine?

IMO, --pristine is a much better name, so at most it should be an alias.

> then we should have a -vanilla that is exactly -q -no-site-file

Why is it important that it be _exactly_ -q -no-site-file?  My understanding
is that --pristine actually does a bit more, which actually makes it better
than -q -no-site-file for what I see as the intended purpose (`what do you
tell people to use when they report a bug').

-Miles
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Re: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[D. Goel]

> 
> IMO, --pristine is a much better name, so at most it should be an alias.

Okay, I had just wanted to point out that xemacs already uses a
shortcut -vanilla so it will be nice to be compatible when we
too implement the shortcut. 


> My understanding is that --pristine actually does a bit more, which
> actually makes it better than -q -no-site-file for what I see as the
> intended purpose (`what do you tell people to use when they report a
> bug').

I see. 

> Why is it important that it be _exactly_ -q -no-site-file?  

No reason really.  Now, with your above explanation, I take back that
request.

PS: Thanks for your other followup re: google searches, i tried and did
work.  And thanks for the followup, Stefan. 


DG                                 http://deego.gnufans.org/~deego/
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Re: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[Richard Stallman]

    Just saw this in the TODO of emacscvs. 
    ,----
    | * Add a --pristine startup flag which does -q --no-site-file plus
    |   ignoring X resources (Doze equivalents?) and most of the
    |   environment.  What should not be ignored needs consideration.
    `----

    Can we either change this to -vanilla, or else alias -vanilla to
    --pristine?

I don't have a strong opinion about it, but we should have a way
to turn off the X resources.

Anyway, it isn't really worth discussing details of the feature unless
someone wants to implement the feature.

RE: emacs --pristine --> -vanilla

[Ben Key]

If no one else is already implementing this feature, I will do it.  I think
I can have it done in about a week.