From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 09:48:30 +0200 Organization: Jan at Appel Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <873c6iar3l.fsf@peder.flower> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083577305 12255 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 09:41:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 11:41:39 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZxD-0006Sb-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZxD-0004S5-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZx2-0005ag-If for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZvZ-000503-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZuq-0004JV-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZup-0004Gj-CG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:39:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.126.34.178] (helo=peder.flower) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKYCz-0005AK-Cj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 03:49:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower ident=janneke) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKYBi-0006rR-00; Mon, 03 May 2004 09:48:30 +0200 Original-To: Lars Brinkhoff In-Reply-To: <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> (Lars Brinkhoff's message of "03 May 2004 08:11:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22596 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22596 Lars Brinkhoff writes: >> > You can get the Happy Hacking keyboard, which has control in the >> > right place. >> Hey, yeah, I second that -- I've got two HH keyboards! > I third that -- I have three. I see a pattern here. It looks like a lot of people that like Emacs bindings (like me) do not use keyboards with the control key at the wrong place. Using Emacs bindings on keyboards with pc-style control key layout make my poor pinky fingers die. FWIW, on common flat keyboards I use my own dvorak-caps layout, but mostly I use a maltron keyboard, which has all modifiers convieniently and symmetrically placed, control and alt/meta on both thumbs. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org