From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: a simple convenience function Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: <873bza7lih.fsf@confusibombus.emacswiki.org> References: <200411142336.00131.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <86pt2fo3yb.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1100560492 5200 80.91.229.6 (15 Nov 2004 23:14:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 16 00:14:40 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CTq3U-0001w3-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:14:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTqCC-0007st-Mt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CTqC6-0007so-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CTqC5-0007sc-Rn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTqC5-0007sZ-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.2.95.247] (helo=smtp.hispeed.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CTq3E-0001rS-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:14:24 -0500 Original-Received: from confusibombus.emacswiki.org.emacswiki.org (80-218-6-172.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.218.6.172]) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.6/8.12.6/tornado-1.0) with ESMTP id iAFNEKM9008474 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:14:20 +0100 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAYAAABXAvmHAAACkElEQVR42s1a0bLsIAgzjv// y7kPd9pVKxKVdk6fzux2C4EAwR6QZBpcQEopIf3Fq3a52Lfh0Mjjk99zcWYBwA2ihEen9jVxfAf/ u0+Y2HQwNoVw4Dx34trRV6NSjiLPmfPt77jwiBxB/3PnZ3B2AGxzHnGu0wcBwAIAyQwZGvQhiFcy YLOFQcSB/MS82n3ec37vykNqRFTX9rVWR2U5+pZNIggll0CUOQN9BDdm1LfBmcZxIEqjL6r2JU/D galaB7Zg4jlY2ulnIx9OR4iMRl38CAFyKaA8jAxE7lNn650VKMULZ/54crqn0YQCJGQliebXkFIK hwqmGm28cgsSjz/hzRCMneQEwMjVoH3gWTtMPgIslJUV5uIluvUEkyzU+gUGQO62e9NuSdZCzNOM fDPC87iCqfE9gHinsIrSL16TPBfrYIeHzqKU90a50jCh54EcrgAUFo5ibzvebgr/I66USQ0CspQp IVSoBQK3WswDDIndIraHxoglqOjM1d044PQvu1NY0EHtqQR/XwJ+PeCs0x2dSlApZVw4MPER23PD 7JekoHxrqTRod/2Gx5nhx5dfAJhqPt7tDMIZxNN/7lOIaparPn7ZQ88drlORC2eLWXowxIq4gHTh VN1BSmsHoxYAbPWDTuGQuuecS+aYQUYpfr0YqPQOuuUk5tApK077+2xfOYP+XyWEIwPcE49lvT9N y2+wU2KylGGp4yxlALcm6fSlmgk62yfSsfNunDl5d6W91MBUoZw679YAJoMMkhijuXdFOL+khaL2 s+g3zy4APQuQvSc/BNAYnkl6E8ivYtEHJXa1dihE3zgnKMdNgN8DiIwgA17NykUMvFDQ+LALvXXI BuBLAHv/DvBmc/0HzR03PqXmLcQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <86pt2fo3yb.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> (Kai Grossjohann's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:29:32 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29894 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29894 Kai Grossjohann writes: > What do others think about the tradeoff between the "never move right" > and the "make behavior predictable without looking at text" > constraints? I really like your predictable behavior. I never thought about it that way, but now that you put it this way, I think "dwim" in this situation should be independent of where point is in the text. It should depend on what the user did, instead. I'm not sure I like your "beginning of window" step, however, because I usually hop through buffers in paragraphs, sexps, or defuns, or whatever the text-based unit is. Using a display-based unit is weird. Alex. -- .O. http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/ ..O Schroeder's fifth law: OOO Never accept more work than you can handle in one night of hacking.