From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: macos.texi updated Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <873bn8n8vc.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <8C0A68AE-EF12-4D6C-9879-D0FF3B04DE1B@mac.com> <87r7bhw2o8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <991DC775-381E-4B96-BBC6-B3701CCD6EAD@cogsci.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128994407 32136 80.91.229.2 (11 Oct 2005 01:33:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 03:33:17 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP90o-0000xc-Mf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:33:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP90o-0001Sr-0Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EP8zU-00014E-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EP8zS-00013Z-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP8zS-00013S-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.188] (helo=tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EP8zS-0003uT-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: from alfajor ([70.48.81.29]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20051011013137.WSK28424.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF92ED7385; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: <991DC775-381E-4B96-BBC6-B3701CCD6EAD@cogsci.ucsd.edu> (Adrian Robert's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:53:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43847 Archived-At: >> I'm not against the introduction of a new font specification style, >> but I think it is mainly for developers and power-users. Emacs >> already has a mechanism that enables users to specify fonts in a >> simpler way at the face level. > You're right.. But the population of "power users" in this case for > whatever reason seems fairly large (just subjective impression), and the > requirement to learn XLFD (to compose a fontset, or whatever else) and > partake of the pleasures of asterisk-counting seems onerous. This has nothing to do with power users. It's simply that until Emacs-21, XLFD was the standard way to specify fonts in Emacs, and that until recently XLFD was the standard way to specify fonts in other X11 apps as well. That's a lot of historical baggage. Creating yet another syntax will not reduce this baggage by one bit. The fact is that there is a new syntax and people do use it, tho a lot of people still use the old one. > In addition, I've been integrating the Cocoa port's font handling with > xfaces.c, and can say it's onerous for developers. Yes, this part probably needs to be redesigned for Cocoa/OpenStep/xft/w32, but it has nothing to do with the user-level interface. The internal interface should simply not use a syntax but data structures instead. Stefan