From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:06:24 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <873bln6h6f.fsf@jurta.org> References: <85acg5u9nl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87lkzo1s34.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87r79fuf4z.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87u0e7i3us.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87fyppi8cl.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87mzjxdk66.fsf@jurta.org> <85iruk4qnf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87br0co9ym.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132727629 27735 80.91.229.2 (23 Nov 2005 06:33:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 23 07:33:33 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EentC-0007DN-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:13:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EentA-0002qT-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eens4-0002WY-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:44 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eens3-0002W1-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eens3-0002Vy-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.98] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eens2-0007bC-Sy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-32-206-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.206]) by Relayhost1.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963A521C5; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:12:56 +0200 (EET) Original-To: belanger@truman.edu In-Reply-To: <87br0co9ym.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> (Jay Belanger's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:42:41 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46467 Archived-At: >>> However, this gave me a good idea: `C-x M-#', i.e. the current `M-#' >>> remains unchanged, but with the initial `C-x'. >> >> What's good about that? It is really contorted. > > It preserves some continuity with the old keybinding, which is > nice. But since I'm not the only person who thinks it's a bit > awkward, something else might be in order. It is not much more awkward then current `M-#'. Surely it is not easy to type, but I think that easy to type is not a requirement for a key sequence to invoke calc. There are many frequently used commands in Emacs that require more easy to type keys, but still miss them. Just one example of frequently used command without a convenient keybinding is `other-window'. I think most users switch windows more often than invoke calc. It would be too shortsighted to allocate short and easy to type keybindings to less frequent commands. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/