From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 04:47:50 +0900 Message-ID: <873aosa87t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <874p9dn46h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4822B82A.6030003@gnu.org> <86zlr1qjq3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <4822C648.7050901@gnu.org> <86abj1qgea.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210275450 19208 80.91.229.12 (8 May 2008 19:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , Jason Rumney , Miles Bader To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 21:38:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JuBwH-0001EA-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 21:38:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46243 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JuBvY-0004TC-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:37:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JuBvT-0004Sz-It for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:37:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JuBvQ-0004SP-0A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:37:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53424 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JuBvP-0004SM-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:46206) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JuBv6-0000GC-IR; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716DA8002; Fri, 9 May 2008 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 974A61A8500; Fri, 9 May 2008 04:47:51 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <86abj1qgea.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96812 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Anyway, until Emacs is mapped, startup messages could appear on stderr. > That is no help when started without a terminal, but would be reasonable > in many cases, including Emacs in a tty. FWIW, XEmacs users complain a lot about startup messages on stderr in the rare cases they appear. Of course those are usually things like "loading some-standard-library ..." messages which leak out due to some snafu, and that is different from "Wow, what a big .emacs you have! It'll take be a second to process this..." Still, it may be indicative of one segment of opinion.