From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-n and C-a Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:45:07 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <873aez5tp8.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87wscdfxfs.fsf@jurta.org> <8763jx1fvb.fsf@justinbogner.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233424856 29359 80.91.229.12 (31 Jan 2009 18:00:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: mail@justinbogner.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 31 19:02:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LTKAQ-0001DU-Bl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:02:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56197 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LTK98-0003uP-40 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:00:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LTK7e-0003H6-3u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:59:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LTK7Z-0003FM-NO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:59:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35455 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LTK7Z-0003FB-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]:4156) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LTK7Z-0000hf-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTK7U-0004hN-9Z; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:59:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8763jx1fvb.fsf@justinbogner.com> (mail@justinbogner.com's message of "Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:12:56 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b6940144bc5d56bdacd12344196c2df X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108466 Archived-At: >> I think `C-up' and `C-down' are better keys for real line motion commands >> when `up'/`C-p' and `down'/`C-n' are used for screen line motion commands. > > C-up and C-down are too far away from the regular position of fingers to > be useful as the only option for anything, one needs a C-p/C-n like > equivalent binding. If we can't find key bindings equivalent to C-n/C-p/C-a/C-e/C-k for real line commands in visual line mode then we should find a key sequence to toggle visual line mode easily. I propose `C-x n v' (similar to the related key `C-x C-n' plus `v' that stands for "visual") or `C-x l v' (with the mnemonics of "line visual"). -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/