From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:02:45 +0200 Message-ID: <873a3vboq2.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <485b0c380911230905t6513e718w1dd804e18003228@mail.gmail.com> <20091124.234300.414610345.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259622190 13766 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 23:03:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Renaud =?iso-8859-1?Q?Casenave-P=E9r=E9?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 00:03:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFFGq-0000Zn-3r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:03:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34618 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFGp-0000nM-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:03:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFGi-0000ms-Es for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:02:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFGe-0000m4-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:02:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38796 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFGe-0000m1-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:02:52 -0500 Original-Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr ([150.140.141.169]:46149) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFFGd-00063s-UD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:02:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E897EB473E; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:51 +0200 (EET) Original-Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F68645303; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:51 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Original-Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vZVaT21Ehn+e; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:51 +0200 (EET) Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-198-152.home.otenet.gr [94.64.198.152]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08249452FB; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:51 +0200 (EET) Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAUN2nZ7075693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Original-Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAUN2mNZ075677; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:02:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) In-Reply-To: <20091124.234300.414610345.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> ("Renaud =?iso-8859-1?Q?Casenave-P=E9r=E9=22's?= message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:43:00 +0900 (JST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:118008 Archived-At: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:43:00 +0900 (JST), Renaud Casenave-P=E9r=E9 wrote: > From: Richard Stallman > Subject: Re: Emacs for new users > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:10:53 -0500 > >> Maybe we should have an "Emacs command immersion mode" >> which disables all mouse clicks. > > `emacs -nw' ? That's a very good point! At least it worked for me. I learned a far greater number of key bindings *after* I started using text frames. The lasting effects of using "emacs -nw" were especially manifest after a couple of years of Gnus usage inside xterm + screen windows. I don't necessarily recommend "emacs -nw" sessions for _new_ users, but it really did help me learn many of the standard key bindings during my own intermediate period between "newbie Emacs user" and "using Emacs to do almost everything, including IRC, email, programming and what not".