* The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19
@ 2010-04-19 17:34 Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-20 13:03 ` Harry Putnam
[not found] ` <jwvr5mb8evr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-19 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: ding
You can find out all the details at http://git.gnus.org/
The www.gnus.org web page will be updated as soon as possible but for
now please refer to http://git.gnus.org/ if you have any questions.
CVS access will be shut off shortly (right now it's read-only). I don't
plan to bring it back or to keep synchronizing it.
I'd like to set up bidirectional synchronization between the Emacs
Bazaar repo and Gnus' Git repo; if you can do that or want to help me do
it please let me know.
Thanks
Ted
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-19 17:34 The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 13:03 ` Harry Putnam 2010-04-20 13:29 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 13:57 ` Andreas Schwab [not found] ` <jwvr5mb8evr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2010-04-20 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: ding Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: > You can find out all the details at http://git.gnus.org/ Not familiar with git, but it appears simple enough, and just downloaded the clone. One thing I didn't see on the page above was any mention of `updating' as we used to do with cvs. So do we just always pull down a whole clone? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 13:03 ` Harry Putnam @ 2010-04-20 13:29 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 13:57 ` Andreas Schwab 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: ding On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:03:40 -0500 Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote: HP> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: >> You can find out all the details at http://git.gnus.org/ HP> Not familiar with git, but it appears simple enough, and just HP> downloaded the clone. One thing I didn't see on the page above was HP> any mention of `updating' as we used to do with cvs. HP> So do we just always pull down a whole clone? Cloning is a really small download, under 20 MB currently. I installed cgit (linked from the git.gnus.org page) so you can download a zip or tgz snapshot of a particular branch or revision. You don't need to clone every time to get an update. To update, you do a "git pull" usually but there's also "git merge" and "git reset" depending on what you need. As with Bazaar and other DVCSs, using Git requires un-learning some CVS habits and learning some new ones... Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 13:03 ` Harry Putnam 2010-04-20 13:29 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 13:57 ` Andreas Schwab 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-04-20 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Harry Putnam; +Cc: emacs-devel, ding Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes: > Not familiar with git, but it appears simple enough, and just > downloaded the clone. One thing I didn't see on the page above was > any mention of `updating' as we used to do with cvs. See gitcvs-migration(7). Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 [not found] ` <jwvr5mb8evr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> @ 2010-04-20 13:55 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-22 5:49 ` Harry Putnam 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel, ding On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:50:03 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: SM> Here is the way I imagine it might work: SM> - take an Emacs Bzr branch. SM> - massage it with "bzr mv", "bzr rm", and "bzr add" to make it look SM> exactly like the corresponding revision in Gnus's Git. SM> - call it "Gnus Bzr branch". SM> - then use magic to make this Gnus Bzr branch sync bidirectionally with SM> the corresponding Git branch. SM> We should then be able to use manually "bzr merge" from the Emacs Bzr SM> branch to the Gnus Bzr branch and vice versa without too much pain (tho SM> it will suffer from many spurious conflicts on files that are in one SM> branch but not in the other, so some extra scripting will be helpful to SM> ease the pain). SM> If someone knows a magician that can take care of the Bzr<->Git part, SM> I'm all ears. I asked Carsten (org-mode) for guidance as he does something similar. git-bzr supports push and pull (bzr-git only supports pull) so maybe it makes sense to put the magic on the Git side. In that case it may also make sense to set up the "for-emacs" synchronization branch inside Gnus and simply pull all the commits out of Bazaar for a specific set of files. IOW, instead of massaging the file locations in the for-emacs branch, I could assemble a map of "gnus-file-name <-> emacs-file-name" for all the files that need to be synchronized and then only look at commits that involve those files. So the "magic" would not only synchronize but also translate and make rearranging the files unnecessary. I don't know which approach is best, honestly, so Carsten's opinion will be valuable in addition to yours and anyone else willing to help. Katsumi Yamaoka and Miles Bader, especially, may have interesting views as they've worked on this synchronization with the CVS side. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 13:55 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-20 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-22 5:49 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-20 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel > git-bzr supports push and pull (bzr-git only supports pull) so maybe it > makes sense to put the magic on the Git side. git-bzr might be a good choice for the "magic" part, yes. > IOW, instead of massaging the file locations in the for-emacs > branch, I could assemble a map of "gnus-file-name <-> emacs-file-name" > for all the files that need to be synchronized and then only look at > commits that involve those files. So the "magic" would not only > synchronize but also translate and make rearranging the files > unnecessary. The "rearranging the files" is a simple way to "write" the map of "gnus-file-name <-> emacs-file-name". Bzr handles file renaming very well, so if you do the renaming on the Bzr side, I think it'll work OK. It doesn't handle removals as well (resulting in conflicts when you merge changes to the removed file), but it shouldn't be too hard to cook up a script which will resolve those conflicts automatically. Since this will involve renaming of all files, the support for renaming will be important. If Git handles renames as well as Bzr in such a case, then it doesn't matter where you do the renaming (on the Git or the Bzr side). Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-20 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-21 2:59 ` Teemu Likonen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel, ding On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:18 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> git-bzr supports push and pull (bzr-git only supports pull) so maybe it >> makes sense to put the magic on the Git side. SM> git-bzr might be a good choice for the "magic" part, yes. >> IOW, instead of massaging the file locations in the for-emacs >> branch, I could assemble a map of "gnus-file-name <-> emacs-file-name" >> for all the files that need to be synchronized and then only look at >> commits that involve those files. So the "magic" would not only >> synchronize but also translate and make rearranging the files >> unnecessary. SM> The "rearranging the files" is a simple way to "write" the map of SM> "gnus-file-name <-> emacs-file-name". Bzr handles file renaming very SM> well, so if you do the renaming on the Bzr side, I think it'll work OK. SM> It doesn't handle removals as well (resulting in conflicts when you SM> merge changes to the removed file), but it shouldn't be too hard to cook SM> up a script which will resolve those conflicts automatically. Git doesn't really do renames, but "git diff" will detect them if the deleted and the new file have the same content. So I generated a local branch with git-bzr and then git {rm,mv} to implement the appended differences. It's not correct yet but at least for the lisp/gnus/*.el files it will track commits. So now `git bzr fetch' will fetch changes to these files from Emacs while retaining the Gnus directory structure. SM> Since this will involve renaming of all files, the support for renaming SM> will be important. If Git handles renames as well as Bzr in such SM> a case, then it doesn't matter where you do the renaming (on the Git or SM> the Bzr side). I think it's been OK so far as an experiment but setting it up correctly will probably be a pain. btw, lisp/gnus/ChangeLog should be renamed to lisp/ChangeLog (the diff below doesn't, by accident). Also there's a cascade of image files under etc/images and with the Gnus *.texi files that probably need a one-time remapping I wasn't patient enough to do just now. The setup is: 1) git bzr add emacs ~/source/emacs/trunk; git checkout emacs 2) git checkout -b gnus-for-emacs 3) do the renames and deletes (maybe this could be automated somehow based on file similarity?) and commit them. The list of renames (I include my experimental one) can be obtained with "git diff --summary -M -r emacs -r COMMITREF" for example. Once it's all set up, I can say in my Bazaar-tracking repository # what's new from Emacs? git bzr fetch emacs git diff gnus-for-emacs master # what's new for Emacs? git diff gnus-for-emacs emacs ...but as I said it's all an experiment so I don't know how painful it will be on a daily basis. One particular annoyance is that it's all very verbose, I need to find a way to filter to only the files of interest. To do that I may need to write the mapping from Gnus to Emacs filenames anyhow. A likely problem will be merging a specific Emacs branch bidirectionally to a specific Gnus branch. So far I've only done it for Gnus trunk vs. Emacs trunk. 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* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-20 23:44 ` Ted Zlatanov ` (2 more replies) 2010-04-21 2:59 ` Teemu Likonen 1 sibling, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-20 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: emacs-devel, ding > Git doesn't really do renames, but "git diff" will detect them if the > deleted and the new file have the same content. I know that's how it works. But I don't know what it means in terms of the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files. IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement of directories (e.g. if Gnus adds a new file lisp/gnus-new.el, will it appear in Emacs as lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el or lisp/gnu-new.el?; similarly if Emacs adds a new file lisp/new.el will it appear in Gnus as lisp/new.el?). I don't personally care whether the moves&removal&adds are done on the Bzr or Git side. AFAIK it's as easy to do it on either side. It can even be split into some part on one side and some other part on the other side. > A likely problem will be merging a specific Emacs branch bidirectionally > to a specific Gnus branch. So far I've only done it for Gnus trunk > vs. Emacs trunk. It should be just as easy for a branch as for the trunk. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-20 23:44 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-21 3:16 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-21 0:33 ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Stephen J. Turnbull 2010-04-21 9:01 ` Andreas Schwab 2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-20 23:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:28:45 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> Git doesn't really do renames, but "git diff" will detect them if the >> deleted and the new file have the same content. SM> I know that's how it works. But I don't know what it means in terms of SM> the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files. SM> IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement SM> of directories (e.g. if Gnus adds a new file lisp/gnus-new.el, will it SM> appear in Emacs as lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el or lisp/gnu-new.el?; similarly SM> if Emacs adds a new file lisp/new.el will it appear in Gnus as SM> lisp/new.el?). Sorry, I'm learning some dark corners of Git so I don't assume everyone knows how Git tracks blobs and indexes them. It's supposed to find the files by content across the tree, so a renamed file from either side *should* be tracked correctly. I'll have to try it to be sure. Assuming this rename tracking works well, new files will be managed by the Gnus synchronization maintainer. The Emacs side should be authoritative for new files, meaning that we (Gnus) will get lisp/new.el and have to remove it, and that we will push our lisp/gnus-new.el to your lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el. SM> I don't personally care whether the moves&removal&adds are done on the SM> Bzr or Git side. AFAIK it's as easy to do it on either side. It can SM> even be split into some part on one side and some other part on the SM> other side. Let's keep all the work on the Git side. I haven't heard anyone else recommend a better workflow than "all on the Git side" yet. So, assuming the above, you or Yidong will not do anything special. You just need to tell us which Emacs branches should be synchronized with the corresponding Gnus branches (let's keep the number down so it doesn't become too much work). I assume Emacs trunk will synchronize with Gnus trunk; what other branches do we need immediately? On the Gnus side I will experiment and try to develop a scripted procedure, but it should be readily usable by anyone. Thanks for your help Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 23:44 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 3:16 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-21 11:03 ` Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) Ted Zlatanov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-21 3:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel > Assuming this rename tracking works well, new files will be managed by > the Gnus synchronization maintainer. The Emacs side should be > authoritative for new files, meaning that we (Gnus) will get lisp/new.el > and have to remove it, and that we will push our lisp/gnus-new.el to > your lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el. Hopefully Git can also figure out where to put new files. But if not, I really can't imagine why you'd insist on doing it "all on the Git side". > I assume Emacs trunk will synchronize with Gnus trunk; Sounds right. > what other branches do we need immediately? We have the `emacs-23' branch which should sync with the "stable" branch of Gnus (not sure which one that is because I don't track Gnus development closely enough). Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) 2010-04-21 3:16 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-21 11:03 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-22 2:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, emacs-devel On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:16:30 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> Assuming this rename tracking works well, new files will be managed by >> the Gnus synchronization maintainer. The Emacs side should be >> authoritative for new files, meaning that we (Gnus) will get lisp/new.el >> and have to remove it, and that we will push our lisp/gnus-new.el to >> your lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el. SM> Hopefully Git can also figure out where to put new files. But if not, SM> I really can't imagine why you'd insist on doing it "all on the Git SM> side". To avoid working on the Bazaar side. >> what other branches do we need immediately? SM> We have the `emacs-23' branch which should sync with the "stable" branch SM> of Gnus (not sure which one that is because I don't track Gnus SM> development closely enough). Reiner should decide this since he's been doing branches and tags in CVS so far, but it probably makes sense to call our branch "emacs-23" as well. The branch name may be confusing because of the "emacs_23_1_RC" branch we inherited from CVS, but with Emacs 24 and later the scheme will work. On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:31:03 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote: SJT> *What I would do if I were you* is lobby for a new subtree, "packages", SJT> of the Emacs tree, and just plop Gnus into that, with its Lisp and SJT> support files all under packages/gnus. Add a make rule which puts SJT> appropriate Gnus autoloads into the loaddefs or whatever Emacs uses, SJT> to find Gnus' Lisp and data in there. (Directory symlinks would work, SJT> as in XEmacs' "symlink farm installation" option, but aren't SJT> acceptable as long as systems that can't symlink easily are SJT> supported.) I was planning to make Gnus one of the first package.el packages under Emacs; we've discussed a separate "trusted FSF packages" repository which will be better than the subtree you suggest. Installing Gnus through package.el will DTRT regardless. But that doesn't eliminate the synchronization problem: we still want to keep the current setup and let Emacs keep its own version of some Gnus files like message.el. Only lisp/gnus/*.el, some docs, and some images will move to the Gnus package. SJT> The way you're going, you're just making the same mistake XEmacs SJT> made with its package system (having the installed tree look SJT> different from the source tree), except that you're going to have SJT> more pain than we do because of the possibility of shooting off SJT> both your feet. I think that Gnus is a special case and we shouldn't adapt Emacs' packaging system to accomodate it. Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) 2010-04-21 11:03 ` Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-22 2:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-22 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Ted Zlatanov writes: > SJT> *What I would do if I were you* is lobby for a new subtree, "packages", > SJT> of the Emacs tree, and just plop Gnus into that, with its Lisp and > SJT> support files all under packages/gnus. > > But that doesn't eliminate the synchronization problem: we still want to > keep the current setup and let Emacs keep its own version of some Gnus > files like message.el. Only lisp/gnus/*.el, some docs, and some images > will move to the Gnus package. This business of Gnus being composed of several notionally separate but in fact mutually infected subsystems does substantially complicate things. Nevertheless, the closer you make the Gnus subset of Emacs to the standalone Gnus tree, the easier maintenance will be. > I think that Gnus is a special case and we shouldn't adapt Emacs' > packaging system to accomodate it. The point is that, for the purpose of the present discussion, Gnus is not that special a case, and that's why XEmacs has a package system, and why, after being dragged in the direction of righteousness for over a decade, all the while kicking and screaming about the evil of possibly proprietary packages, Emacs is getting one too. *shrug* Emacs people like it that way, I guess. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-20 23:44 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 0:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2010-04-21 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-21 9:01 ` Andreas Schwab 2 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 0:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, ding, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier writes: > I know that's how it works. But I don't know what [git's > automatic-detection-implementation of copy/rename] means in terms of > the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files. > IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement > of directories (e.g. if Gnus adds a new file lisp/gnus-new.el, will it > appear in Emacs as lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el or lisp/gnu-new.el?; similarly > if Emacs adds a new file lisp/new.el will it appear in Gnus as > lisp/new.el?). Bazaar can't handle that and won't anytime soon as a standard feature (no support for nested trees, how to do it remains controversial among the core Bazaar developers). git supports that with submodules (speaking theoretically, I haven't tried this at home), but the subtrees represented by git submodules must have identical structure. > I don't personally care whether the moves&removal&adds are done on the > Bzr or Git side. AFAIK it's as easy to do it on either side. Not. See above. You can take your chances with one of the Bazaar plugins (bzr-externals, scmproj), but given the level of demand for this feature, the fact that none of lifeless, jam, or aaron have jumped on it suggests that the chances are unhappy that you'll bet on the right horse, and in any case the documentation will undoubtedly suck because the semantics will be buried deep in the Python code. OTOH, git has a standard, built-in feature, with well-defined-and- documented, simple semantics. > It should be just as easy for a branch as for the trunk. Maybe. I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to work with Bazaar that way. Note that ghost revisions causes nasty bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 0:33 ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-21 3:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2010-04-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, emacs-devel On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:33:59 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote: SJT> Bazaar can't handle that and won't anytime soon as a standard feature SJT> (no support for nested trees, how to do it remains controversial among SJT> the core Bazaar developers). git supports that with submodules SJT> (speaking theoretically, I haven't tried this at home), but the SJT> subtrees represented by git submodules must have identical structure. I don't like the way submodules work. They are good for independent, fairly static externals but for synchronizing two repositories I think they'll be a pain. There's some unpleasant caveats at http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html plus they are really easy to screw up. SJT> Maybe. I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr SJT> sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch SJT> with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to SJT> work with Bazaar that way. Note that ghost revisions causes nasty SJT> bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago. Using git-bzr from http://github.com/kfish/git-bzr, it seems you can only push to a single branch, will that still cause problems? I think the Gnus repository is pretty unlikely to branch with abandon, in any case. If Yidong, Stefan, and others are concerned about ghost revisions, we can simply prepare the Gnus -> Emacs synchronization as a patch and submit it through the usual channels or apply it manually ourselves in isolation within Bazaar. This will probably be the modus operandi at first anyhow. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 3:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Ted Zlatanov writes: > I don't like the way submodules work. They are good for independent, > fairly static externals but for synchronizing two repositories I think > they'll be a pain. Sure, but you're in for pain anyway since Gnus is a subset of Emacs, not a subtree. That is, Gnus-maintained features are spread across several subdirectories of Emacs, while those Emacs subdirectories also contain non-Gnus content. Gnus contains lisp and etc directories directly, while (I presume) Emacs contains lisp/gnus and etc/gnus directories. I can think of several ways to deal with this, but none of them are very attractive. Of them, I personally would use git submodules because even though I'm sure I'd screw them up occasionally, there would be an exact record of how they got screwed up. The precise semantics of submodules makes the task eminently scriptable, too, so I would expect not to make the same mistake twice.[1] YMMV<wink> *What I would do if I were you* is lobby for a new subtree, "packages", of the Emacs tree, and just plop Gnus into that, with its Lisp and support files all under packages/gnus. Add a make rule which puts appropriate Gnus autoloads into the loaddefs or whatever Emacs uses, to find Gnus' Lisp and data in there. (Directory symlinks would work, as in XEmacs' "symlink farm installation" option, but aren't acceptable as long as systems that can't symlink easily are supported.) The way you're going, you're just making the same mistake XEmacs made with its package system (having the installed tree look different from the source tree), except that you're going to have more pain than we do because of the possibility of shooting off both your feet. XEmacs packages has only one source tree, so even though the installed structure is different from the source structure, at least all the hackers are on the same page. This isn't going to be true for Gnus. > There's some unpleasant caveats at > http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html plus they are really easy > to screw up. Sure. It will be work to make them work. But I'm fairly sure you can do it. My point in replying to Stefan is that there's no standard way to do it in Bazaar yet, and the chances are high that the standard, when it appears, will yank the rug out from under existing practice. > SJT> Maybe. I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr > SJT> sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch > SJT> with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to > SJT> work with Bazaar that way. Note that ghost revisions causes nasty > SJT> bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago. > > Using git-bzr from http://github.com/kfish/git-bzr, it seems you can > only push to a single branch, will that still cause problems? I think > the Gnus repository is pretty unlikely to branch with abandon, in any > case. Visibly, no. But you have no control at all over what your developers do privately. Once merged and pushed, those branches have no names in the public repository, but they still exist there! I don't understand how ghost revisions (revisions referenced as parents by revisions in the repo, but which themselves are not present in the repo) can exist at all in a DAG-based system. One may hope that because git doesn't permit that, they won't exist in the bzr mirror of your git tree, and that's actually probably a good bet. But I can't say it can't happen; it's your privilege to place your bets here.<wink> > If Yidong, Stefan, and others are concerned about ghost revisions, we > can simply prepare the Gnus -> Emacs synchronization as a patch and > submit it through the usual channels or apply it manually ourselves in > isolation within Bazaar. This will probably be the modus operandi at > first anyhow. Yup. Footnotes: [1] NB. the synch tree would be owned by a special user, and only the update scripts would be allowed to touch it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 0:33 ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Stephen J. Turnbull 2010-04-21 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-04-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-21 4:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-21 3:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stephen J. Turnbull; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, ding, emacs-devel >> I know that's how it works. But I don't know what [git's >> automatic-detection-implementation of copy/rename] means in terms of >> the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files. >> IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement >> of directories (e.g. if Gnus adds a new file lisp/gnus-new.el, will it >> appear in Emacs as lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el or lisp/gnu-new.el?; similarly >> if Emacs adds a new file lisp/new.el will it appear in Gnus as >> lisp/new.el?). > Bazaar can't handle that and won't anytime soon as a standard feature I think your "that" is not what I was talking about, because I know for a fact it works. What I'm talking about is to just move directories around in a branch: no need for nested trees or any such thing, no restriction to "same layout" either. >> It should be just as easy for a branch as for the trunk. > Maybe. I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr > sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch > with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to > work with Bazaar that way. Note that ghost revisions causes nasty > bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago. Ghost revisions are a problem for Bzr implementers, not users. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-21 4:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2010-04-21 11:38 ` Sven Axelsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 4:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, ding, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier writes: > I think your "that" is not what I was talking about, because I know for > a fact it works. You've managed what is conceptually a single body of content, using two separate trees, both actively developed, with persistently different names for the same file(s), and bidirectional merging? > >> It should be just as easy for a branch as for the trunk. > > Maybe. I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr > > sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch > > with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to > > work with Bazaar that way. Note that ghost revisions causes nasty > > bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago. > > Ghost revisions are a problem for Bzr implementers, not users. Surely a "can't do operation X because revision Y not found" error is a problem for users. I believe the particular operation was "branch". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 4:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 11:38 ` Sven Axelsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Sven Axelsson @ 2010-04-21 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel On 21 April 2010 06:00, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote: > You've managed what is conceptually a single body of content, using > two separate trees, both actively developed, with persistently > different names for the same file(s), and bidirectional merging? I admit not being completely clear on the implications here, but maybe you want to look into the subtree merge strategy for git. Some information here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/using-merge-subtree.html. It is intended for this kind uf usage. -- Sven Axelsson ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++>++++++ >++++<<<<<-]>++++.+.++++.>+++++.>+.<<-.>>+.>++++.<<. +++.>-.<<++.>>----.<++.>>>++++++.<<<<.>>++++.<----. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2010-04-20 23:44 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-21 0:33 ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2010-04-21 9:01 ` Andreas Schwab 2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-04-21 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, ding, emacs-devel Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > I know that's how it works. But I don't know what it means in terms of > the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files. > IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement > of directories Git doesn't care about directories, it only cares about contents, no matter where it is located. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-21 2:59 ` Teemu Likonen 2010-04-21 11:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Teemu Likonen @ 2010-04-21 2:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, ding, emacs-devel * 2010-04-20 15:05 (-0500), Ted Zlatanov wrote: > Git doesn't really do renames, but "git diff" will detect them if the > deleted and the new file have the same content. Not quite. Git will detect renames if at least 50% of file's content remains the same. So, you can also modify files quite much unless the renamed-modified file is not very small. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 2:59 ` Teemu Likonen @ 2010-04-21 11:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2010-04-21 14:57 ` Teemu Likonen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason @ 2010-04-21 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Teemu Likonen; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, Stefan Monnier, ding, emacs-devel On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 02:59, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote: > * 2010-04-20 15:05 (-0500), Ted Zlatanov wrote: > >> Git doesn't really do renames, but "git diff" will detect them if the >> deleted and the new file have the same content. > > Not quite. Git will detect renames if at least 50% of file's content > remains the same. So, you can also modify files quite much unless the > renamed-modified file is not very small. Not quite :) At a very basic level Git just doesn't care. It just snapshots content from one revision to the next. It really is just "A Stupid Content Tracker". Rename detection is all done at the higher level by the Git porcelain. The 50% number you cited can be changed to anything you want by giving the diff commands the -B$PERCENT argument. See gitdiffcore(7). You could easily write your own rename tracking on top of Git that did something completely different. Like do rename detection on binary files, or on text in TIFF files based on how those files come through OCR scanning. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 11:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason @ 2010-04-21 14:57 ` Teemu Likonen 2010-04-21 16:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Teemu Likonen @ 2010-04-21 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason Cc: Ted Zlatanov, Stefan Monnier, ding, emacs-devel * 2010-04-21 11:30 (UTC), Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 02:59, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote: ^^^^^ You make it look like I spent my night writing about this version control tool. :-) Timezone issues... >> Not quite. Git will detect renames if at least 50% of file's content >> remains the same. So, you can also modify files quite much unless the >> renamed-modified file is not very small. > > Not quite :) > > At a very basic level Git just doesn't care. It just snapshots content > from one revision to the next. It really is just "A Stupid Content > Tracker". > > Rename detection is all done at the higher level by the Git porcelain. > The 50% number you cited can be changed to anything you want by giving > the diff commands the -B$PERCENT argument. See gitdiffcore(7). Yes, I know that, and would add that this default 50% detection threshold is based on the smaller of the two files. I just wanted to point out that in practice Git (the tool) really understands renames. I have heard too many times that "in Git you must commit a rename and content changes separately" (which is wrong) and "Git doesn't understand renames at all" (which is very wrong, from the point of view of the tool's user). Technical people may talk about repository formats and different layers on top of that but I guess some of that talk has escaped the context and I keep hearing misinformation about Git-the-whole-system's abilities. Anyway, thank you. Your message shares very useful information. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-21 14:57 ` Teemu Likonen @ 2010-04-21 16:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason @ 2010-04-21 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Teemu Likonen; +Cc: Ted Zlatanov, Stefan Monnier, ding, emacs-devel On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:57, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote: > * 2010-04-21 11:30 (UTC), Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 02:59, Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote: > ^^^^^ > > You make it look like I spent my night writing about this version > control tool. :-) Timezone issues... You should have seen your original Date header :) > Yes, I know that, and would add that this default 50% detection > threshold is based on the smaller of the two files. Yeah, and that alone will catch the overwhelming majority of cases. > I just wanted to point out that in practice Git (the tool) really > understands renames. I have heard too many times that "in Git you must > commit a rename and content changes separately" (which is wrong) and > "Git doesn't understand renames at all" (which is very wrong, from the > point of view of the tool's user). Technical people may talk about > repository formats and different layers on top of that but I guess some > of that talk has escaped the context and I keep hearing misinformation > about Git-the-whole-system's abilities. Right, as far as the end user is concerned it tracks renames better than anything else I've tried. People assume that "tracking renames" is something they want to do, but in practice systems that do inode-like tracking quickly run into trouble (as Linus pointed out: http://marc.info/?l=git&m=114123702826251). Git doesn't explicitly track renames (it just analyzes history) but it'll catch cases where you copy some template file (e.g. release notes) two two locations in one commit. Systems that do inode-like tracking won't catch that. Neither will they catch things on the sub-file level, like moving a function between two files. On the other hand those systems have more information than Git does in most cases. They can analyze history like Git does *and* take into account how their inodes changed over time. The difference is that once systems start tracking inodes they tend not to do history analysis at all. > Anyway, thank you. Your message shares very useful information. Likewise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 2010-04-20 13:55 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-04-20 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2010-04-22 5:49 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2010-04-22 5:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: emacs-devel Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: [...] > There's a bunch of files that in Gnus live in location X but in Emacs > are in Y. For example (Gnus first, Emacs second): > > lisp/ChangeLog -> lisp/gnus/ChangeLog > GNUS-NEWS -> etc/GNUS-NEWS > lisp/assistant.el -> not in Emacs > > If you can put together that list it would be a huge help. I started on > it (see my recent e-mail to ding) but it needs to be checked and all the > documentation and image files need to be mapped as well. I didn't see the post your are referring too... I did see a post where you made mention of doing it: Message-ID: <87fx2qgrdw.fsf@lifelogs.com> Subject: Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 I didn't put a lot of effort into looking for it... but didn't see it with a curory look. OK, this probably isn't the way I should do this but I wondered if even a partial list might be helpful right now. I ran out of gas before polishing further and willa be tied up tomorror nearly all day, so thought maybe I should I should put it up here. I do plan to clean it up... and of course if this is all wrong... any input is welcom. Below these lines is a semi finished list... just in case you need some of it right away. There could be some serious boners in there. I'm half asleep but I will clean it further tomorrow. I hope I'm getting the general idea... You showed one line: > lisp/assistant.el -> not in Emacs So I wasn't sure if you mean you wanted a list that like, or if any files that like that should just be listed with the rest or what. I ran out of gas before I worked on that part... but let me know if the intent is to have files missing from emacs that are in gnus, included. 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./emacs/lisp/gnus/legacy-gnus-agent.el ./gnus/lisp/mail-parse.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mail-parse.el ./gnus/lisp/mail-prsvr.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mail-prsvr.el ./gnus/lisp/mail-source.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mail-source.el ./gnus/lisp/mailcap.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mailcap.el ./gnus/texi/message.texi => ./emacs/doc/misc/message.texi ./gnus/lisp/messcompat.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/messcompat.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-bodies.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-bodies.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-decode.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-encode.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-encode.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-extern.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-extern.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-partial.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-partial.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-url.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-url.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-util.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-util.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-uu.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el ./gnus/lisp/mm-view.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mm-view.el ./gnus/lisp/mml-sec.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el ./gnus/lisp/mml-smime.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mml-smime.el ./gnus/lisp/mml.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mml.el ./gnus/lisp/mml1991.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mml1991.el ./gnus/lisp/mml2015.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/mml2015.el ./gnus/lisp/netrc.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/netrc.el ./gnus/lisp/nnagent.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnagent.el ./gnus/lisp/nnbabyl.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnbabyl.el ./gnus/lisp/nndb.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nndb.el ./gnus/lisp/nndiary.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nndiary.el ./gnus/lisp/nndir.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nndir.el ./gnus/lisp/nndoc.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nndoc.el ./gnus/lisp/nndraft.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nndraft.el ./gnus/lisp/nneething.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nneething.el ./gnus/lisp/nnfolder.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnfolder.el ./gnus/lisp/nngateway.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nngateway.el ./gnus/lisp/nnheader.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnheader.el ./gnus/lisp/nnimap.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnimap.el ./gnus/lisp/nnir.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnir.el ./gnus/lisp/nnkiboze.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnkiboze.el ./gnus/lisp/nnlistserv.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnlistserv.el ./gnus/lisp/nnmail.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el ./gnus/lisp/nnmaildir.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnmaildir.el ./gnus/lisp/nnmairix.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnmairix.el ./gnus/lisp/nnmbox.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnmbox.el ./gnus/lisp/nnmh.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnmh.el ./gnus/lisp/nnml.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnml.el ./gnus/lisp/nnnil.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el ./gnus/lisp/nnoo.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnoo.el ./gnus/lisp/nnrss.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnrss.el ./gnus/lisp/nnslashdot.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnslashdot.el ./gnus/lisp/nnsoup.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnsoup.el ./gnus/lisp/nnspool.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnspool.el ./gnus/lisp/nntp.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nntp.el ./gnus/lisp/nnultimate.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnultimate.el ./gnus/lisp/nnvirtual.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnvirtual.el ./gnus/lisp/nnwarchive.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnwarchive.el ./gnus/lisp/nnweb.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el ./gnus/lisp/nnwfm.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/nnwfm.el ./gnus/lisp/ntlm.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/ntlm.el ./gnus/texi/pgg.texi => ./emacs/doc/misc/pgg.texi ./gnus/lisp/pop3.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/pop3.el ./gnus/lisp/qp.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/qp.el ./gnus/etc/images/gnus/reply.pbm => ./emacs/etc/images/mail/reply.pbm ./gnus/lisp/rfc1843.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/rfc1843.el ./gnus/lisp/rfc2045.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/rfc2045.el ./gnus/lisp/rfc2047.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/rfc2047.el ./gnus/lisp/rfc2104.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/rfc2104.el ./gnus/lisp/rfc2231.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/rfc2231.el ./gnus/lisp/sasl-cram.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/sasl-cram.el ./gnus/lisp/sasl-digest.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/sasl-digest.el ./gnus/lisp/sasl-ntlm.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/sasl-ntlm.el ./gnus/lisp/sasl.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/sasl.el ./gnus/texi/sasl.texi => ./emacs/doc/misc/sasl.texi ./gnus/lisp/score-mode.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/score-mode.el ./gnus/lisp/sieve-manage.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/sieve-manage.el ./gnus/lisp/sieve-mode.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/sieve-mode.el ./gnus/lisp/sieve.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/sieve.el ./gnus/texi/sieve.texi => ./emacs/doc/misc/sieve.texi ./gnus/lisp/smiley.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/smiley.el ./gnus/lisp/smime.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/smime.el ./gnus/lisp/spam-report.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/spam-report.el ./gnus/lisp/spam-stat.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/spam-stat.el ./gnus/lisp/spam-wash.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/spam-wash.el ./gnus/lisp/spam.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/spam.el ./gnus/lisp/starttls.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/starttls.el ./gnus/lisp/time-date.el => ./emacs/lisp/calendar/time-date.el ./gnus/lisp/tls.el => ./emacs/lisp/net/tls.el ./gnus/lisp/utf7.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/utf7.el ./gnus/lisp/uudecode.el => ./emacs/lisp/mail/uudecode.el ./gnus/lisp/webmail.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/webmail.el ./gnus/lisp/yenc.el => ./emacs/lisp/gnus/yenc.el ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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