From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: moving more cl seq/mapping support into core Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:07:10 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <8739skokjl.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <4CAA0FFC.5020809@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286286358 3074 80.91.229.12 (5 Oct 2010 13:45:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:45:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 05 15:45:57 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P37q8-0002ms-O5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49517 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P37q7-0002rE-Od for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:45:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33702 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P37G7-0003PH-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P37Es-0006UR-P5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:08:37 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P37Es-0006U8-IH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P37Ep-0007Nr-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:07:23 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:07:23 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:07:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zoZ/rWq8CdwgQo7DHhqSxGD38GE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131365 Archived-At: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:45 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: RS> The fact that many programmers use cl.el is not conclusive. Those RS> programmers won't use cl names for anything else -- others might. My experience as a spectator has been that almost all ELisp programmers are aware of cl.el and don't redefine its functions. FWIW, I am strongly in favor of making cl.el a first-class citizen. The pain of the promotion is outweighed by the benefits IMO. RS> Meanwhile, there is a further issue. If we move these symbols into RS> the standard Elisp, we need to document them in the Lisp Reference RS> manual. We could certainly do that, with some work. But it would RS> also make the Elisp manual bigger and more expensive. I hope that's not an impediment. Maybe it can be an optional extra volume to the ELisp manual. Ted