From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keeping an ELPA checkout Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:02:50 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <8739mauad1.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87hbarw95a.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwqaudjs.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301090598 10234 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2011 22:03:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:03:18 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 25 23:03:13 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3F68-0003W1-CU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:03:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54968 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3F67-00068G-GE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:03:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49030 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3F62-00067y-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3F60-00005p-Oa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:34802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3F60-0008Uj-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3F5y-0003Tg-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:03:02 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:03:02 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:03:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0dbBFUm2XoTUC7jrwmwyTv+sX3g= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137705 Archived-At: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:12:57 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> But ELPA packages are... packages! Everything in emacs/lisp is source >> code, meant to work as you describe. Some ELPA packages happen to be >> single-file libraries but you are trying to skip the installation and >> activation steps which track dependencies, byte-compile, and adjust the >> load path. At least I don't think that's how it is supposed to work in >> Tom Tromey's design. SM> I know, but I don't think there's any fundamental good reason why we SM> can't tweak emacs/lisp/Makefile.in so that it gets things to work. They are packages, that's a great reason :) Yeah, you can do it, but it's going to break sooner or later. I like Chong's approach better than tweaking things. Also, isn't it better to put the rules inside the GNU ELPA (thus the "elpa" branch) than inside Emacs' lisp/Makefile.in, as Chong suggested? >> Which I think are so people can install ELPA locally, edit things >> locally, and reinstall the package when ready. Does that help? It can >> probably be automated to be part of a "make local-activate-all" process. SM> An important part of my use case is that files be used directly from the SM> Bzr checkout. Also I don't want to copy any of those files anywhere SM> near my ~/ or ~/.emacs.d directory: everything should stay cleanly SM> within the Bzr checkout. Sure, I think that's what Chong had in mind too. I'm pretty sure package.el can do that (maybe a special load file will be needed though). Ted