From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Antoine Levitt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:11:30 +0200 Message-ID: <8739jbxpjh.fsf@gmail.com> References: <010001cc29eb$fc806cb0$f5814610$@cs.ua.edu> <87zkljcxg4.fsf@gmail.com> <877h8niao3.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308139945 30588 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2011 12:12:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:12:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 14:12:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWoxD-0004Oj-7j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:12:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46783 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWoxC-00088v-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53752) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWowv-00088X-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:11:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWowu-0005xQ-0I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:11:56 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:60957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWowt-0005xM-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWowr-00049K-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:11:53 +0200 Original-Received: from portable63.ceremade.dauphine.fr ([193.48.71.63]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:11:53 +0200 Original-Received: from antoine.levitt by portable63.ceremade.dauphine.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:11:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: portable63.ceremade.dauphine.fr Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140492 Archived-At: 15/06/11 13:41, Sean Sieger > Antoine Levitt writes: > > Emacs has come a long way since the heyday of the GNU project. I expect > (but I might be wrong) that for many people involved in emacs nowadays, > the only thing left of this GNU commitment in emacs you take for granted > is annoying splash screens and papers to sign. > > Yes. Wrong. Alright, I accept that. > They don't want GNU's "official" participation in the survey, they just > want the largest number of open source developpers to participate. Their > study is about how open source devs work together as teams in > distributed environments. Emacs is open source (aside from being "part > of the GNU project"), therefore it makes sense to ask emacs devs for > their input on this. Philosophy has nothing to do with it. > > Antoine that's a sloppy way of promoting the ghost of dissolution you > mention above. I don't promote anything. I just think that trying to force an agenda on such a survey is essentially useless. It's like someone on the street loudly complaining that the system of government is wrong to a pollster asking who you're gonna vote on the next election. It's slightly awkward to walk by, but I just have to cross the street and ignore it, which is what I'm going to do.