From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: 'xfq' <xfq.free@gmail.com>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial forms. (Bug#13853)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:55:22 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8738uj22gl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51741E72.8030204@yandex.ru>
Dmitry Gutov writes:
> http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Special-Forms.html starts with:
>
> "Special forms are those expressions in the Lisp language which do not
> follow normal rules for evaluation.
This is much broader than common usage, though, since it explicitly
includes macros.
In Commmon Lisp, which has a very narrow (extensional) definition of
"special form"[1], it seems to me the intent of the definition is to
describe those features of the language which are "unfunctional".
> I dunno, calling anything that can be used as a car of an evaluatable
> sexp a "function" makes sense in general context.
But there's a reason to avoid that usage where possible. In Lisp,
functions are "funcall-able", while special operators and macros are
not. This makes functions "first class" objects in a way that special
operators and macros are not.
Footnotes:
[1] http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_ababa.htm#clspecialops
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-21 17:55 UTC|newest]
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2013-04-21 12:39 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Leo Liu
2013-04-21 13:00 ` xfq
2013-04-21 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 16:55 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-21 17:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 17:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2013-04-22 1:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:04 ` Drew Adams
2013-04-21 18:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-21 19:40 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros ratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 1:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-22 1:35 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi(defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macrosratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 2:00 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:07 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special " Glenn Morris
2013-04-21 22:54 ` xfq
2013-04-22 17:02 ` Glenn Morris
2013-04-23 0:47 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-23 16:42 ` Glenn Morris
2013-04-23 22:28 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-22 3:17 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 10:31 ` xfq
2013-04-22 14:11 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-22 15:37 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:47 ` Stefan Monnier
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