From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Rectangular regions Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:59:40 +0900 Message-ID: <8738nesps3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <52707D17.6010801@dancol.org> <8338niefba.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9hq8h7p.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <29a14514-03d2-42ba-88c1-1bbac26f045a@default> <87iowbs4a9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y557kyoj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo23rut5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5274CE7F.9030906@poczta.onet.pl> <87a9hnrruq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bo22yhrm.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383411595 21806 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2013 16:59:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jarek Czekalski , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 17:59:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VceYH-0000HR-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 17:59:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42680 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VceYH-0000Lp-5g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VceY9-0000Li-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:59:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VceY3-0006iO-Sl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:59:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:46735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VceY3-0006iE-Ai for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:59:43 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0AD970A1F; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 01:59:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 44F141A3507; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 01:59:40 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87bo22yhrm.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164871 Archived-At: Jambunathan K writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > why regions beat rectangles. > > > The point is that Emacsspeak is an inherently linear medium > > Rectangles are but table-cells - either belonging to table.el table or > Org tables. Not the rectangles associated with C-x r commands -- they're defined by arbitrary row and column positions in the buffer between point and mark, quite a different notion. > Out of curiosity, how would Emacsspeak users mark a rectangle or > traverse among those. By touch (-typing), of course. I've seen people use a mouse with audible indications of row/column position, although I don't know if that's been implemented in Emacsspeak. I've not seen this, but I bet very good accuracy could be achieved with a drawing tablet. But even if accurate, use of a tablet would require taking your hand(s) off the keyboard. > Do they never use tables at all? They do everything any user does, of course. But frequency of and preference for various activities change. > I would like [some] operations [on table cells] supported in Emacs > core rather than peripheral libraries. You'll need to get people to agree on a specific table format before that will make sense. Eg, is org-mode table compatible with table.el table (in either direction)? How about REST or markdown tables, etc?