From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:42:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419021919 19596 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 20:45:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Allen S. Rout" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 21:45:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24QB-0003dj-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:45:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60484 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24QA-0005DG-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:45:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Q1-00053U-Jq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:45:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pv-0000Du-Cy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:46656) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pv-0000DS-5F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:44:55 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pu-0007Nd-El; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:44:54 +0000 Original-Received: from [151.65.203.145] (helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pt-00050g-VU; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:44:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Allen S. Rout's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:29:47 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180345 Archived-At: "Allen S. Rout" writes: > On 12/17/2014 12:54 PM, Sven Axelsson wrote: >> I have watched several of the recent threads [...] So, why? >> > >>>From the peanut gallery, I think the 'why' is expressed better in terms > of personal politics than anything technical. The Git transition, I > think, has made Eric feel a great sense of ownership. He's trying to > polish stuff up that he sees as dingy. The git translation was a good thing. And a tracker that allows bug reports and pull requests to be handled and visible would be a good thing. And finally, a documentation format that is easy to use and familiar to the much of the world would be a good thing also. Emacs has a difficult course to steer. That it respects its past is a good thing, because the knowledge that I learn today will be useful in five years time. Continually chasing the latest thing will result in a lot of unnecessary churn. It also needs to change with the rest of the world, or it will be left behind. Remaining relevant is not a given. I use Gnus for email, because my email requirements haven't changed much in 20 years (except for volume, and gnus is very good at that). But org-mode has changed the way I manage notes and todo lists. And magit has changed the way that I approach versioning. Stablity and change at the same time. If Eric is trying to stir things up a bit, that is surely not a bad thing. Phil