From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jens.k.loewe@googlemail.com (Jens K. Loewe) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: <8737xrweel.fsf@googlemail.com> References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443926075 29904 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2015 02:34:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 02:34:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 04:34:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ86-000395-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:34:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40861 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ85-0003qZ-G6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:34:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ81-0003qN-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:34:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ7x-0006A8-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ7x-00069m-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiZ7v-0002vr-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:34:15 +0200 Original-Received: from p4fe285c2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.226.133.194]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:34:15 +0200 Original-Received: from jens.k.loewe by p4fe285c2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:34:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fe285c2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:l0CV4GT3JNr4PqtZzP/Se9F1Cjc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190839 Archived-At: Ah, finally an interesting discussion here. > The whole point of GNU is the non-acceptance of software denying > the users the fundamental software freedoms. So GNU does not stand *for* something but *against* something? GNU's whole point is not to be better than others but to point out that others are worse? That reminds me of a kindergarten. Furthermore, shouldn't it be the right of a free user to use a non-free system at his own will? I don't use GNU for the sole reason that I get my things done fast on other platforms, but I solve a lot of problems with FLOSS software even on closed platforms. Am I a bad guy now? I actually considered suggesting myself as a maintainer just to contribute at least something to Emacs. I never wrote "upstream" code for Emacs but I do that team development thing for money. I guess as a Windows and BSD user I'm out of the game though - I disagree with some of the points the GPL makes and I'll always prefer the BSD infrastructure to GNU; but I really like working with Emacs. However, it seems that the Emacs product is less important than the Emacs "philosophy" here. No wonders that you can't find a volunteer for ethical management on a technical mailing list. Sigh. JKL -- I could contain traces of nuts.