From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:28:05 +0200 Message-ID: <8737x9qx2i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <871tcyexa9.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> <87612a7my2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <561DC925.5050001@siege-engine.com> <561E32D2.4060501@yandex.ru> <83wpum3ozk.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9lpriqw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56227382.3070402@cumego.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445099306 7755 80.91.229.3 (17 Oct 2015 16:28:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Przemys=C5=82aw?= Wojnowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 18:28:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnULH-00058Z-Tg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:28:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59028 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnULH-0006CE-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:28:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55360) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnULC-0006B6-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:28:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnULB-0005Ns-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUL1-0005Ms-GA; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42899 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUL0-0002Qn-M8; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3A094DF535; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:28:05 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <56227382.3070402@cumego.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Przemys=C5=82aw?= Wojnowski"'s message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:12:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191849 Archived-At: Przemys=C5=82aw Wojnowski writes: > W dniu 17.10.2015 o 10:39, David Kastrup pisze: > [...] >> My refactoring work tends to be done using stuff like >>[...] > With all due respect, please spend a morning with a modern IDE (like > Intellij, Eclipse) to learn how they make programmers productive. Not really interested. This refactoring was necessitated by stuff being implemented with a contorted C macro system. Any refactoring system able to do this out of the box would be too complicated to learn. > Especially look at their refactoring features. It's a different > league. To sed? Uh, that's not a particularly interesting contest since sed has no refactoring features at all. Multi-line replacements are noisome enough. At any rate, I am not interested in using other tools here. Scripting means I can work incrementally and put the respective responsible script into the commit message. Which means that redoing that particular refactoring when branches are rebased or my commit takes a week for reviewing while other changes pour in is then trivial. --=20 David Kastrup