From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 4K Bugs Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: <8737u8i5jr.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87mvszdp6b.fsf@gnus.org> <8737u9kv6f.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87oacwq240.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452258443 365 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2016 13:07:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alexis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 14:07:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHWl4-0004x6-QV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:07:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35689 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHWl0-0006G8-U4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:07:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHWko-0006G0-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:06:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHWkl-0003Er-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:06:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:52709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHWkl-0003En-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:06:51 -0500 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.62.100]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdIBN-1ZqgRc2x3B-00iRu7; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:06:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87oacwq240.fsf@gmail.com> (Alexis's message of "Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:41:35 +1100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:saHZQ8OKgAl3URt6hyygod9fR30CnRsyWu1Am/S7jSvSHGxfzDt KuP/7uYN3hyDWbBMNkk8J4bcgIH5PFa520l22lwizneM11NYOaSu846x7ZuK6Ma6sVTHCCL 4+oh2IsaEnLRYFRG0KoaT4Snru+Gc1gSk1qD0rz33nzGv96jaLm99TiRm5VlfzQ5crpbTWk R3v9SSlRxhH5JYRmUvqRw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8WsJconaHkk=:oBVPP6/YOkyUBMkMw5UQca r1bXaDznAcx5MjTT8Y0Ccuu5ZqSzjcV/TD6R6kwMvjoOSD0MmNWf3RyFtFd3CQIxz06LcbpUI 2qJWOWwksoYdbLpgUdz4X6Bec0yyCnsxXzy9o2s789SsvUOPyeQe8qI+UBB4uzm7YxrTJCTtv wBf1hk+0i1NGWVYx/vpuWiyAjIIVdZXA6F1v1asmoWTyCOE+LeWFKvBhsDFFdzSZzns6rEBte 6+6lRWQBlT91T5Hf4eaqQj+GL39fghKY7gx78kNwtgNIKaNF2KyibIB/dkPRG7oHenyFgDJI4 xN0mgcnFAcn4j0qNCMZswUZN8LeuZ687LqqrEQoqAnIUqQj/qyUOP2B0BkDwphd8eq+pPXDr8 hG/8gIQLMoQJXKAWBQijqS9JafVD5FXSGy5jjLXi4R4O6b8K+E/Ts0rxMJCD/SsfSsiaNdoJ3 z1E+ADjZ0af99cee9GXXN0plRri+qGu4BbiT2G9mAvT+eZNBRIfy59bplo8A9mWbDULVYrndz z2ENDbYno7MIC5AN9PqUe5aDeUCKjTlLUQtE3iv7kMCxMZTz0cUKnyAuYMByrvD8AS8zUWG1u tgy4hSl8W7Dkrz/Qyy9baHJf8+xg9U2+gSSQG5TOC2ckkdVcOVZPj8eejSy5mKbhMMDLfaN0i QFnDFIF6gXWldATDW4VlcZHhDky2y36aSNhb8uGTLizMzIrjVO11bCaoaKqIv7SgIf8wooj2w GjvrVjrkuAyvCPEJ254EIWx7wOgERa0NLaVtp/umBKY07gBiWqNdHPpBeZEy0G/cC8z6gv+t X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197819 Archived-At: Alexis writes: Hi Alexis, Thank you also for your feedback. >> - After installing debbugs, there is no obvious entry point. M-x >> debugs-[tab] gives 30 different commands. > > Agreed; it took me a few moments to realise that debbugs-gnu was > probably what i wanted. Again, there is the README. >> - Bugs marked as "done" and "unreproducible" are displayed by >> default. > > i would certainly prefer that "done" and "unreproducible" bugs were > not displayed by default. As said, for bugs marked "done" this might be the better default. Bugs marked "unreproducible" are prominent candidates to be marked also as "done", therefore they shouldn't be suppressed I believe. > Well, as usual in these situations, i used C-h m (`describe-mode`) to > find out what i can do; but yes, it might be useful to at least have > one or two lines of text describing at least some of the possible > commands (and maybe also, what the colours in the `State` field > indicate). README, again. It covers the offered commands. The states are described in the User Guide. I wanted to show them also by example, but I have no idea how to colorize text in texinfo. Is this possible? > i'm a mu4e user, and when i try to send a control message .... Well, > i'm not sure what happens. i get nothing to indicate a message was > sent, but nothing to indicate it failed to be sent either. i can > successfully use mu4e to reply to messages in the relevant bug thread, > though. Yes, a short message "Control message foo sent" might beuseful. Will do. > Finally, i'd like to suggest that the `debbugs` manual be renamed to > something like `debbugs-dev`, and the `debbugs-ug` manual be renamed > to `debbugs`. In trying to find out what the colours in the `State` > field indicated, i ran the `info-display-manual` command and specified > `debbugs`; the result ("Debbugs Programmers Manual") surprised me, and > it took me a while to realise that there's a `debbugs-ug` ("Debbugs > User Guide") manual. My guess is that many more people are going to > want to use the latter than the former; hence my rename > suggestion. Perhaps it might also be useful to link to the User Guide > from the `debbugs` UI? I've mentioned the User Guide in the README now. And in the Programmer's Guide, I've added a link to the User Guide. > Alexis. Best regards, Michael.