From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Cochran Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:34:41 -0700 Message-ID: <8737mxtvlq.fsf@cochranmail.com> References: <46f603db-cf91-495d-d330-87b3538b7872@gmail.com> <87oa5pnvam.fsf@cochranmail.com> <87k2gcm7sk.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469471774 21221 80.91.229.3 (25 Jul 2016 18:36:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 25 20:35:58 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bRkjL-00039Z-15 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:35:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34494 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bRkjK-0005jx-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bRkiT-0005i7-47 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:35:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bRkiN-0002hS-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:35:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.workgrouplinux.net ([207.195.177.82]:35204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bRkiN-0002hD-Hz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:34:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=cochranmail.com; h=from:to :cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=dkim1; bh=+S7LR0xrgyOMZ6nKE4PXXM70THs=; b=i42mM 8I/epN1soFMeDhPYONc4E48WzWWhoEre34U/QziwLZddlA3iZNUJbmWC0dc1mQo8 Eo5ZqKGAJYKTvVw2Hc7MmwEcoDHgH+zYp/Ybc/1eNQsOST4GoWPYIbU8S/m2x72f GurOErSQT439/LM6hqzHq7PLiawJj6aM7w06HTg/vdZ0P6gSi/kNCw3jDHKQ1MsB FyNj/ofI14G1qvMgVW9CLfqnNA9a33nhChOk0iQkgGo724B6i20m2kQteoxMkh1N bBklEN3wC2w9viMGtTotBl5KKSnC1UiKXCTJqMIwQkQMq5z52IhdefJyumTCpKNn 3y0qf0BZ6gLWKSoXw== Original-Received: (qmail 1323 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 2016 18:34:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=private; d=cochranmail.com; b=VPAMInTIA1Ufagx51wT0XYix5O40X2VVD5w9Fz+Ffl3iALCASWrhqT1UVTFpNu5rH1ePyd7eMaM5G9L2dA5NNQ==; Original-Received: from 131-191-86-130.as.clicknet.org (HELO SoraLaptop) (robert@cochranmail.com@131.191.86.130) by mail.cochrantribe.org with ESMTPA; 25 Jul 2016 18:34:50 -0000 In-Reply-To: <87k2gcm7sk.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:14:03 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 207.195.177.82 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206128 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: >> That tends to be an indicator that the SJWs have infected a project. > > "infection" is a verb that we apply to disease. Personally, I find it > lacking in respect and rather worrisome to apply this to people what > ever we think of them. I feel the same about the use of "cancer" or "the > enemy within". I would ask that you do not do this. > > You are welcome to describe this as political correctness; you'd even be > using the term correctly, which is a rarity these days. No, you're right. I got a little *too* zealous in showing my disapproval. I'll keep that in mind for future communications. Thank you for pointing my failure out to me. > While I am very respectful of Eric's many talents, in the case of Tim > Hunt he is entirely incorrect. I am a biologist as well as a software > developer, I'm familiar with Tim's work and, of course, a greatly admire > it. > > When I heard his statements reported (and which he then justified on > national radio), I considered them to be silly, but then felt that, > hopefully, he would have learned his lesson, and then we should just > forgive and forget. > > But, then I discussed the issue with many of my colleagues; turns out, > that they were less willing to forgive. Actually, many of there were > extremely angry. Like me, science is a part of their life, a vocation > not an occupation. But, they had just heard a senior scientist describe > them as not good enough, prone to tears when criticised, just because > they are women. I was wrong; it's not my place to forgive and forget, > it's theirs. > > I think Tim wasn't hounded out of his job by "social justice warriors"; > I think he left out of embarrassment when he realised how many of his > colleagues he had deeply offended. Well, now I have no idea which story is more accurate. I'll go ahead and just drop that aspect in this and future discussions on the topic, then. I'd prefer that than spreading any potential mis-information. > As another relative newcomer, welcome to the mailing list. Thank you. ~Robert Cochran