From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows installer Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:15:03 +0000 Message-ID: <87375eqjy0.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87po99qzbn.fsf@russet.org.uk> <1509955878.550800.1162811960.541B525D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <87h8u6bae3.fsf@russet.org.uk> <1510126271.1965593.1165373624.0601E5CF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8760aijcek.fsf@russet.org.uk>> <83ineiotjr.fsf@gnu.org>> <3f972e79-afcd-4f92-a283-41fad4b687fb@default> <83efp5p8km.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7zpbxza.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1510848975 9023 195.159.176.226 (16 Nov 2017 16:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:16:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, Eli Zaretskii , jostein@kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 16 17:16:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMpg-0001cl-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:16:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41622 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMpn-0003hi-67 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:16:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52811) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMpV-0003cp-Ka for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:15:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMpU-0003NW-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:15:53 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:46794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMpP-0001bK-Fe; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:15:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OVq38HKVgoWCHv1Jzz8aJB57EeniRu4vAroRgEWfhXY=; b=F645ic3HR9KSuBr+710Mq9qb2 pZmO/PeO/w0T/uguieliFr7uNKzBAMmW5M442NpoakgH+s060zYFHvXhayf0osPd/2nq1wRAwveb1 ulNWv6HUk6QLEoOIkM0RGwajQMwdbsbJo5gX6HRtIV6zyUPKAueXdWQuM1IfDMCSK6TCFxvIPwvdp ds+pbXFSI6FaTuXYNm3TELopPujtuNs+6SJwZp28f+pHE+795KFf2qDZ7wUgaLXhwEmAv8nqIUf2b TCJFISw67Yq9iVc8BnwzCxDjszO5/UK9rfZLD1moc3WIA/g+qDI+E9rBcAvq68BJzsFJehZdsYSqP bmt1tj29w==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-124.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.124]:44550 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eFMoi-002gKU-AB; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:15:04 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:54:44 -0800 (PST)") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220223 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Such binaries used to be delivered more often. If there >> > were a simple "push-button" command to create them locally, >> > which didn't require anything else, I might well take >> > advantage of that too. >> >> It's not going to get any simpler than "./configure;make install" >> complete with all the environment that this entails. > > Does that work on out-of-the-box MS Windows? I doubt it. > > Emacs users on Windows are not necessarily developers > of/on Windows. A "builder" that contained everything > it needed, and kept it contained, tossing afterward > whatever is not needed to run the built Emacs, would > be what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Essentially, the build proceedure at the moment is this: Install msys Run pacman to install dependencies git clone emacs ./configure;make The last step takes an hour. Alternatively, installer a snapshot via an installer. I'm struggling to see a substantial user community who would want something in between the two. > Other binaries (e.g. Msys stuff) are less the problem > that a C compiler, `make', etc. Push-button building > without depending on a separate development environment. > I.e., the builder would bring its own build tools, and > clean them out when done building. > >> > But is it not the case that this "installer" >> > also _builds_ Emacs for Windows? If not then apologies >> > for misunderstanding. >> >> No. The builder builds the installer. It's a self-extracting >> zip file on steroids. > > IIUC, none of those steroids help me, IIUC. I don't care > to "install" this or that Emacs build. I just want to get > builds or be able to push-button-create them. I don't want > something messing with my Windows registry, menus, HOME, > PATH, or anything else. Get the build job done without > depending on anything else pre-existing, and leave no > footprints behind. The "leave no footprints" behind means "start-from-scratch". Currently, building the Emacs zip (including extracting the dependencies) takes about 3 hours and requires half a gig of downloads. >> I think we are good here. I put support for snapshot building in, and >> I've automated as much of the stuff around that as I can. So, I >> should be able to do it more frequently; probably monthly, as I >> haven't managed to automate things from start to finish. > > Great. It will be good to return to periodically uploaded builds. Up sometime soon! Phil