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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	jostein@kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: windows installer
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:15:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87375eqjy0.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae87257b-1532-42e0-b040-8156c94b98f2@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:54:44 -0800 (PST)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> > Such binaries used to be delivered more often.  If there
>> > were a simple "push-button" command to create them locally,
>> > which didn't require anything else, I might well take
>> > advantage of that too.
>> 
>> It's not going to get any simpler than "./configure;make install"
>> complete with all the environment that this entails.
>
> Does that work on out-of-the-box MS Windows?  I doubt it.
>
> Emacs users on Windows are not necessarily developers
> of/on Windows.  A "builder" that contained everything
> it needed, and kept it contained, tossing afterward
> whatever is not needed to run the built Emacs, would
> be what I'm talking about.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Essentially, the build proceedure at
the moment is this:

Install msys
Run pacman to install dependencies
git clone emacs
./configure;make

The last step takes an hour.

Alternatively, installer a snapshot via an installer. I'm struggling to
see a substantial user community who would want something in between the
two.


> Other binaries (e.g. Msys stuff) are less the problem
> that a C compiler, `make', etc.  Push-button building
> without depending on a separate development environment.
> I.e., the builder would bring its own build tools, and
> clean them out when done building.
>
>> > But is it not the case that this "installer"
>> > also _builds_ Emacs for Windows?  If not then apologies
>> > for misunderstanding.
>> 
>> No. The builder builds the installer. It's a self-extracting
>> zip file on steroids.
>
> IIUC, none of those steroids help me, IIUC.  I don't care
> to "install" this or that Emacs build.  I just want to get
> builds or be able to push-button-create them.  I don't want
> something messing with my Windows registry, menus, HOME,
> PATH, or anything else.  Get the build job done without
> depending on anything else pre-existing, and leave no
> footprints behind.


The "leave no footprints" behind means "start-from-scratch". Currently,
building the Emacs zip (including extracting the dependencies) takes
about 3 hours and requires half a gig of downloads.


>> I think we are good here. I put support for snapshot building in, and
>> I've automated as much of the stuff around that as I can. So, I
>> should be able to do it more frequently; probably monthly, as I
>> haven't managed to automate things from start to finish.
>
> Great.  It will be good to return to periodically uploaded builds.  

Up sometime soon!

Phil



  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-16 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-26 23:11 windows installer Phillip Lord
2017-10-28 21:47 ` Richard Stallman
2017-11-06  8:11 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
     [not found]   ` <87h8u6bae3.fsf@russet.org.uk>
     [not found]     ` <WM!524810e63610127669556b68fb62cde560daf19be50fc52d4d63dd232af7bdb0490810e03b84a6559c9b2017d8462cc3!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2017-11-08  7:31       ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2017-11-10 17:01         ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-10 18:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-10 20:46             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-10 21:22               ` John Mastro
2017-11-10 21:35               ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-11  7:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11 11:34                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-11 14:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 11:21                 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2017-11-10 21:33             ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-11  7:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-10 23:27             ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-11  0:25               ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-11 11:25                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-12  0:30                   ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-12  4:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <87fu9hbytq.fsf@russet.org.uk>
2017-11-13 22:25                       ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-14 13:08                         ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-16 16:15                           ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-11  7:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11 11:24                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-11 12:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <<83ineiotjr.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-10 21:43             ` Drew Adams
2017-11-10 23:35               ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-11  7:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11  7:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11  9:42                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-11-11 10:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11 16:39                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <87a7zpbxza.fsf@russet.org.uk>
2017-11-13 22:44                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-14 14:54                       ` Drew Adams
2017-11-16 16:15                         ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2017-11-16 16:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-16 16:31                             ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-16 16:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-16 17:35                                 ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-16 17:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-16 18:10                                     ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-16 20:45                                       ` Richard Copley
2017-11-17  7:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-17  7:22                                           ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-17  7:35                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-17  7:25                                         ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-16 17:42                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2017-11-16 17:45                                     ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-22 22:39                                   ` Phillip Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-11-12  8:56 Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-12  9:03 ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-12 11:30   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 12:39     ` Fabrice Popineau
     [not found]       ` <8760adbxw6.fsf@russet.org.uk>
2017-11-13 22:46         ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-14 14:36           ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-14 16:31             ` Fabrice Popineau
2017-11-14 20:12               ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-20  8:46                 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2017-11-20 18:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-22 23:01                   ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-23  3:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-23 18:06                       ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-23 20:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-24 19:13                           ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-24 19:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-25 11:08                               ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-25 12:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-27 17:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
2017-11-12 14:14   ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-12 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 14:27   ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-12 15:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 17:32       ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-11-12 18:42         ` Eli Zaretskii

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