From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Org as the source format to generate org.texi Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:47:03 +0000 Message-ID: <873713dit4.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878tb5axms.fsf@bzg.fr> <6630c346-1b5a-d265-2b3a-05c4f7c497c6@cs.ucla.edu> <87muzk4tzs.fsf@gnu.org> <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fu59qhbd.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87vae3zobm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r2oomjdh.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520962096 23225 195.159.176.226 (13 Mar 2018 17:28:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:28:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 13 18:28:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1evnie-0005vB-8w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:28:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41482 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evnkg-0004tQ-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40427) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evn4y-0001XN-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evn4t-0000ru-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:40935) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evn4t-0000rQ-JS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:47:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fLEbRQku2xWCzHCjb0lutdXLWqWJ3EUeogMpKRZKWak=; b=BUSYvGvi7HRUX54zwe1rGihJu OgQxuupe+251wzJrWgV/OD4uzzPdnOz6xFKDQR6o2GlhY/UajALF2OHzT/dSVABoOV6KG7c0GBOQd p9Nv+POHq2B/b3RXuJhPmtwovJuqKVNImKGDKLY9MCF6vRHl7H9IFh6rdIJfA4vnXaFY/Mn8A7iQ0 gjMVXqeoG9XhgMPW5Qt+6Spiazv93h4eXCiQ3W2NlPFJVhErRnAe2IMPAtpVGyf2AuD4JEJ7BYrOL En2A4yMOqIRp5kMT+uLNcGNQwcPxLuQVXuHikVAdXfozkwRXJFwa2yEP+bE2BgAzxZBLpndVY4pLz gR8GuC24g==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:44706 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1evn4p-000o5Y-SU; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:47:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:29:10 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223699 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Oh dear. I was hoping not to side-track the issue. >> Yes, it's a hypothetical Emacs where org is hosted in ELPA not in >> emacs.git, but still distributed with the Emacs tar ball. And the >> question is, what if packages other than org used org-mode for their >> manuals. > > Actually, as long as these other manuals are in ELPA packages which have > `org` in their "Package-Requires:", I think it'd still be fine. > So it's probably not something that we need to worry about. Yeah, agreed that would be a solution. Given the time scales, we could also look at adding another heading to ELPA packages, which would, effectively, specify a build time dependency. The key point here, is that this is far from a show stopper; there are clear solutions, and we have lots of time to think about them. Phil