From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:10:35 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <8736uxorwk.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> References: <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87k1oeaofu.fsf@ada> <20180825103413.gbm5stsl67j6weow@Ergus> <87k1od7vzf.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83wosd5h3x.fsf@gnu.org> <871sakzssu.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83bm9n6f7d.fsf@gnu.org> <87tvneql3i.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87zhx5psis.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535578811 8464 195.159.176.226 (29 Aug 2018 21:40:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:40:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , radon.neon@gmail.com, flexibeast@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 29 23:40:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8C6-00024f-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:40:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45097 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8EC-0003c5-NE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8CV-0002zs-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:40:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8CL-0006jY-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5300::5]:24174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8CJ-0006h3-W6; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:40:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1535578818; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=Sender:References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=zzz5FavhxycqGI5IBUFZA/S2rRehajpS9dKfl6/7fjk=; b=FN5oI9rfiJTFo7fiFjFvkwarNyNDk41jCfsNTjepPJGQN9GR8zXOIqh9hlIPA4UeMh J87cdOprmzN1d2/5t30H5XZo2wWJQNlp3O2/C25RsNjgsMXsg+XrzHNlogFhXLITjx+g 1s+ful0KfhhvzxgIMT2vv/Qb9y0z4MNIj1MysLq7N8essvBCk+KDG0Gq1c6fYf55MQ12 W2S+k3g7LGS5fv+ybXe3eDsCprXAjpqDBPDMlpha6HejeYs0HD+5JBshapz3oMwkjTHU mFka79WgDdppY5l3SYByXmrSXN09BIPStnKYdwJF/PhCgXGHGLoghdYyi4UXeIypEo9v /smA== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 43.21 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id j020b1u7TLeF6KB (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lee by himinbjorg.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8CE-0001SZ-GS; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:40:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zhx5psis.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:59:39 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229071 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: > hw writes: > > Hi, > >> Tramp can be extremely finicky, > > Whenever you have this feeling, pls report in detail. Sometimes, it > might be a bug, sometimes, the doc needs an improvement. Well, I don't really know the datails; only sometimes I need to run (tramp-cleanup-all-connections) when it somehow gets screwed up. Last time, it blocked me entirely when it tried to create a backup file and couldn't do that because file permissions did not allow it. I was forced to either kill Emacs or change permissions so it could create the file. After that, I changed the backup directory for tramp and found out that cleaning up all the connections is not enough to have this change applied; I had to kill the buffer and visit the file again for it to work. So at least for one case, here are the details, but I won't call it a bug, only something that could be improved upon, like check permissions before creating backups and prompt what to do when permissions do not allow to create one, and applying a change of the backup directory right away to all connections, or prompt the user if the change should be applied to all of them now. That was Emacs 24.x, on Centos, so perhaps this has already been changed.