From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Auto-installing packages? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <8736u8s5q8.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537184950 7823 195.159.176.226 (17 Sep 2018 11:49:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, "T.V Raman" To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 17 13:49:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s1Z-0001tP-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:49:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35081 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s3g-0003Ss-Dx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34583) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s2y-00039U-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s2x-0003QV-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:39385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s2t-0003Hs-SR; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:50:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=//JPVZKQ6eQZUCowrc21eO2uf+xkcaY3XHWEs8mSJ+s=; b=D9Sz4zb11FkB224hZZoPagEJ8 ve14+rIJdOqt+WcaIxtRLArTmWmmb63IHiuYGC+o0JHe+HdcRL4H3YCDyAz1OilCn82t6HUWntPaF 30N0nkN8Ac8Dr8YRrALjAO1Sr8v9Y4TuMwuqxCW+qyVu7ZQ1gdFhB3km6wkvid8cSzO55gK0Ur1jF UBiVEB8PubXnWrFxP1RVNLB8iMGa1M7b8mnIbmWZl2XolosDQXp1EIEuCDf6XWO6YkdlMz9qAeZBs BBTl5WGwK1tJyMvsNEcZVXhll6kmgBqLZZq/fAUOjG5nnF+ZXgJ4CWJASkKIvDlhhJLge6t4RBu2e /TwhZytfg==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-124.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.124]:35716 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1g1s2p-00CDlh-VF; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:50:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:46:15 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229890 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The difference between Emacs and packages available over the net > is not merely technical. It affects legal issues, and it affects > communication of our message, > > So we should not try to minimize its visibility. Just the contrary, > we need to make it the difference visible, something that users will > think about. And, yet, the mantra is "ELPA is Emacs". It requires copyright assignment (with all the intense pain that this entails), the files say "part of Emacs" and so forth. So, for the case of Emacs and ELPA installing over the network vs pre-packaged is, I think, merely technical. Phil