From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 02:21:36 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <8736u7yakf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> <877ejxsm18.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87r2i5308w.fsf@gmail.com> <8336ulv2le.fsf@gnu.org> <87va75ggo3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <47784549-2e24-40cc-9c83-e73308111af5@default> <875zz3zr6q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537226494 25652 195.159.176.226 (17 Sep 2018 23:21:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:21:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 01:21:30 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g22pb-0006V5-4H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:21:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22rh-0002hF-Ba for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22r4-0002h4-Ai for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:22:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22r1-0000zu-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:22:58 -0400 Original-Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:37726 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a21.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22r0-0000zE-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:22:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a21.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a21.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE77B7F11B; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=+lFNe4MBFdEJECFV790YA1fJ/YA=; b= JISSQczVB/D9q6jGbdogTZ+kUI0RXN8g/+1s708xmkz1cUNDuYYHDWgbWDrc5mWW F7XlVXX7BjEwrrZWQaHC/4AbJCm7EzvU3/8od1HeMxn8NCLBc9gvBkoB91NcGZTJ SEibn+j3QM79/c9F6quNLozusYquJNAnY2EXuR1l1X8= Original-Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m91-129-107-237.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a21.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DE637E435; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a21 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a21 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT)") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 64.90.62.162 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229918 Archived-At: > Wasn't that bug introduced by particular changes trying to fix > bug #32173? #32173 says that those changes "break d-s-m", > by inappropriately turning d-s-m off. Just don't do that. It's not > a problem with d-s-m itself, AFAICT. This bug was caused by the fundamental flaw in its current implementation. > Regardless. If you think d-s-m can't be turned on by default > then don't turn it on by default. But please don't mess with it. > > Worse than not turning it on by default (who really cares that > much?) is ruining it, giving it an incompatible design. It doesn't > need a makeover. Please just leave it alone. Its reimplementation could have a different name: not delete-selection-mode, but e.g. delete-select-mode (like handle-shift-selection vs shift-select-mode).