From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Garreau\, Alexandre" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:00:33 +0200 Message-ID: <8736t4g4v2.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> <53AEC704-1099-42F4-806C-6C0A903AB954@scratch.space> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539777535 12135 195.159.176.226 (17 Oct 2018 11:58:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:58:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (5.13), GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Van L , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel To: Nathan Moreau Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 17 13:58:50 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkTQ-00031P-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:58:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36249 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkVW-00019U-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:00:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkVM-00018z-ML for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkVE-0002Yc-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:00:48 -0400 Original-Received: from portable.galex-713.eu ([2a00:5884:8305::1]:42212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkVC-0002L3-Nc; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:00:40 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=portable.galex-713.eu) by portable.galex-713.eu with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gCkV7-00059c-Gy; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:00:33 +0200 X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: E109 9988 4197 D7CB B0BC 5C23 8DEB 24BA 867D 3F7F X-Accept-Language: fr, en, it, eo In-Reply-To: (Nathan Moreau's message of "Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:09:35 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:5884:8305::1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230443 Archived-At: On 2018-10-17 at 12:09, Nathan Moreau wrote: > From my experience with undo-tree, C-S-/ is a good binding. > It is easy to reach right after hitting undo (C-/). Direct access is a > little bit hard but you don't tend to press it directly that often. Are you really meaning shift when saying S- (or maybe super? which is usually not accessible to emacs unless you use it as a window manager through exwm)? Then what is your keyboard layout? In qwerty and dvorak: S-/ is ?, so C-S-/ is C-?, which is impossible to type (it gives ? usually), while corresponding to DEL under a terminal. In azerty: / is already accessed with shift. In b=C3=A9po: S-/ is 9, so C-S-/ is C-9 and is already bound to `digit-argument'