From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tramp as ELPA package Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:41:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8736myq6wo.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20180819204918.GA3934@ACM> <20180821162043.GA3946@ACM> <20180823213418.GA32596@ACM> <83lg8w9mt2.fsf@gnu.org> <871saoc70o.fsf@gmx.de> <87wosebzur.fsf_-_@gmx.de> <87tvnh9yg6.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="10538"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 04 14:42:35 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hC1hT-0002dE-An for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:42:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53456 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hC1hS-0001SZ-3H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 08:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38446) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hC1gn-0001SC-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 08:41:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hC1gm-0001VX-IM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 08:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:42339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hC1gm-0001S9-52; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 08:41:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1554381705; bh=S++27hZCOwQatVzAaPdMd4r9UoGClOdfOIfbEtzMV7M=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QNeLf6KK2NNkKc1s+bOCCGEhmLfar4K+neH2ZWjjcyxD0YUj2NzCcLf8I9ClIPUxw aFNC6fs1xYWU59C/nrnTURY2GVcNy3oQkc2FJ1ZtRpm6HsbuS2hscehv6w/ZgP1vW6 JCHeSWd0V5gS8+3tNpGOGV6W0MdtGUraSNj+o7Ho= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.91.249.211]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LpKY5-1gfhXw20hx-00fE4c; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:41:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tvnh9yg6.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:09:13 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UEVAQZRvEGIEqpvrh/2/Wlz8sVquegOojZ1C7lESGCEIabITw7c LzKMvvf67LCODlv3Zu+LWyAJ0vHLpQFayfnL/EE6KLgiOVrGCQ5p1PkszUAL8HqT9mrFMs8 74U9pw7pRxWMryWUu5W/DLvXvV4VA4O5qNSBdbmCVdYoVPMKpYv1IEw2Qu+gQERLnjlNr8R EiSyVn+/WNvjjOhT8/bMg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Ajxg8RRWyNo=:sIbYg17eUzSQYj+hV9blVr 9nSDFY0n00cREste4caH0eVQkyfWDNaxODkM41f2xRPcxByjV4VkVcP4fHRoldDeuw6pqxo9Y eFUEAlbJkO3bLd8SdTe9GGCu1bnExjB23iSDSMOfkojrYVHPo1mMXBiZpnIGZ05mycsqjz7aS er0QLvMxb8ZSzKaPdLYY436QD8BOMp7fe8vKQBSTSKkmRA9dAqwbm6CHQWMgD/xlXwbUUdrUD +Qph6tYkq+VwJYiIvv7SI2ELhUyHvhzUjpbkyg12aj9KvcAtVXq1YXko0obzJhZ1ueKYN5t58 XK47HI8io6wOrzJc/O4EOC1czYG4e3fRy0bLLuLptfYzTLr+PH0DJUu4SmaxX7b6NNjrY52kX fQH/XuFSljHdanks0Tu75Azb8rSynz2dV/kZnaaAoDax154s+EyNRFK1HkpnNTctDvCr37Z1t DUpAyG3o5ly0xMNZf5mX8bqKlj0vndoYa5po5wDzDHbsQ5qVAMbUa/J7mhkT2C+A095Xw07wh UlGbS53UpJSOOc3DE54XEN9IUz2C2/7Nh+8wzYuWggcM6lOd2yfTgnoLhvHrdIQGWRrAWKZLQ tVtR1zYlGBBhBcgrr83D05/y7YK1JlT3eTM21/ePaNbM9D5bd0D0vv0aItZUG0EQxkXEjdzzn mqey4cosXmiVpzGUxckmNLRwg0Ci8BqB2FF7AV+sej2ipvKvUNsIQTm4g66jkLn0F6lWeb77j w4988hHIW8AF4vaMVGgSDhhiAPT0xFnkMeoIxt889BMjdlZN8NGenSN01E8xbU5e5PTIQBFQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234947 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: Hi Stefan, > Further problems for making Tramp an ELPA package: > > * Revised version structure. Tramp is released roughly every 6 months > (releases 2.4.0, 2.4.1, ...). In the time between, it has an > intermediate release string like 2.4.1-pre. At least for the *-pre > version, Tramp changes frequently, w/o a new version. This does not > work well for ELPA packages. > > Maybe we need an intermediate release string as the MELPA packages > have: add a time stamp in the Version: header of tramp.el *only* in > the Emacs repository, whenever a new version of Tramp shall appear as > package, like 2.4.1.pre.20180826. This shouldn't be done > automatically, by intention only. An automatic release of Tramp as > ELPA package might be too frequent, I fear. > > * Several Tramp versions. I maintain several Tramp versions in parallel, > currently 2.3.4 and 2.4.1. I'm not confident that 2.4.1 shall be the > ELPA package today, because new features will be added here, and it is > kind of unstable, therefore. I believe, 2.3.4 would be better suited > for all users *not* running Emacs 27.0.50. Users running Emacs 27.0.50 > do not need Tramp as ELPA package, because it is always synced with > the Emacs repository. How do we manage this? > > * Providing Tramp documentation. IIUC, ELPA packages could contain > *.texi and *.info files, but they are not propagated to the > users. This shall be enhanced, because new features of Tramp are > reflected there. > > * Likely more problems ... I'm coming back to this old thread, since there is still no Tramp ELPA package. We have bug#32544, but this is also stalled. Would it be possible to go the same line as org-mode has done? There is nothing org-mode related in the GNU ELPA repository, but regularly snapshots of org-mode are published as tar-files for ELPA. In GNUmakefile of the ELPA repository, there is a target org-fetch which is used to get this file, und bring it into the archive. Based on this, org-mode releases are announced for GNU ELPA, like org-mode 9.2.3 recently. I could imagine, that I'll upload a similar file to the Tramp ftp archive every time a new Tramp version has been published. It could have the name tramp--elpa.tar, and it would contain everything an ELPA archive file needs. After fetching, this could be offered as GNU ELPA package then. What do yo think? >> Stefan Best regards, Michael.