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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254974 Archived-At: >> His recommendations are rarely provided with any rationale except "the >> current situation is silly/stupid", and should therefore be taken with >> a grain of salt. > > My experience entirely and he's rather quick to insult if you disagree. FYI, When sharing the link, I did not imply that suggestions should be accepted "because Xah said so". I did imply that they are worth reviewing, because I found many of the suggestions in that article reasonable. Regardless of the author. Instead of discussing the author of the article, it would be better to discuss concrete suggestions proposed there (or better wait a little until I split them into separate bug reports and discuss one-by-one). Best, Ihor Eric S Fraga writes: > On Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 18:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> His recommendations are rarely provided with any rationale except "the >> current situation is silly/stupid", and should therefore be taken with >> a grain of salt. > > My experience entirely and he's rather quick to insult if you disagree. > -- > Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.3.7 on Debian bullseye/sid