From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:53:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87363o3ahp.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87wo10tzga.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27254"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: casouri@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, ghe@sdf.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, tecosaur@gmail.com To: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 11:54:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGflH-0006wd-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:54:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37864 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGflG-0007kV-OS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 05:54:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51624) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGfkg-0007Ie-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 05:53:54 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:39064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGfke-0003rt-TW; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 05:53:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kz5Czi+yo4T7TAi/d3JwVfz54twHG6hUzmWARGkmx74=; b=pEHIpwqSKsH4YWbKjMRbYly+47 zhUTJbymUaMFshVtmLdQG+iS6lhLC+/Bpz5uj+stF9BoqpFUgFp2435YpzmoV6lk+xesGSkdHmasI WlZE+MVsKfgHpqnt8qQgFCj3tg8NohS/iY0Nma/HcnH1GpoEzegA+q6H1Y61NKIFRLDQ=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGfkS-0000Uz-NG; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:53:43 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEV5neOLq+nWy6vr 6eeomWd8hZb///+yzEbdAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+QJCwkzLSV1FI4AAAGqSURBVDjL XVPbkYMwDJQmDUhm8n+IXAFGHWSggMyE/ls5PWwwp4QQdrV6WQB0YyYm+2UkgssMA7Y7BnPh/syF 02AkJsNF5lkkqFOEPBpG5BuF9mHCSOdYFDUYnYUOhP8zTfO9COCouAcnTBp4qkgRO11r5p5UlXoO f64ewVHV2upKQitQ4lp9XtRzFBtD4hrpMosHtFBNcFaXRoxNEKmRe+ss0uGsPeoy5xLEmvOq2hQv WaSb+VqNmi0+zXc9KZMuteWwFuRmi3dsBVmp6wivMjP45T2MglVMIUJAi+qrQZFEg/hBJyyCpnCJ hoyYrUKvKkcicw4GXE/Y/MOV40zAPSt23GdIOcQgoB2GXIsCxYgZc7YrDYSXMUNKCG8Kqwvg4YJx UQGLtxiEjssYp4RxJv8JyGN/tJWKZeLzaMknnJvQ7oGD7/+UQGl9xi76ixBrh7mlRky5pBgLGUTO hhWovSm+BR6qDU3heezH8YnWUDN3Esd3M9tDpxeusDnx3j6tg4HYXi75DaZON8X+PL6vtxPrMioO ++5+9OWCOyFvG35RvRNuIuc6NPsDP5V4obpVVwAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAtMDkt MTFUMDk6NTE6NDUrMDA6MDA0Y000AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIwLTA5LTExVDA5OjUx OjQ1KzAwOjAwRT71iAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Robert Wyatt's _Shleep_: "Free Will and Testament" In-Reply-To: <87wo10tzga.fsf@gkayaalp.com> (=?utf-8?B?IkfDtmt0dcSf?= Kayaalp"'s message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:49:57 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255120 Archived-At: G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp writes: > On 2020-09-11 07:16 +03, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > There was an idea in another thread that we could ask major distros = to >> > not disable menu bar, and I said I could create the issues, but I th= ough >> > I=E2=80=99d wait for some of the maintainers (dis)agree first. What = do you >> > think, would such a thing be useful? >> I think that would be a good idea. > > So I just opened three tickets: > > https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/13939 > https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/issues/3926 > https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude/issues/1278 For what it's worth, I do not think this is a good idea. Emacs distributors should do whatever they think is best, and for emacs-devel to chide them (even as gently as in these issues) for their decisions is counter-productive at best. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no