From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:33:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87362ka9zm.fsf@posteo.net> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <874kn2sdss.fsf@iki.fi> <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Adrien Brochard , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 20:34:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgB6-0007xj-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:34:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37408 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgB5-0000g9-5A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:34:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37908) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRg9s-000812-9d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:47698) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRg9p-000081-5y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3D1C16005F for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:33:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1602441198; bh=5arg8akSlv2Ay9R2pB5tiwCCvkmUiivj6IPJT6BH7rE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=cY+7d5VygvCCGLe1d8yopDJQ/ysbeT8IUJ/lFG8qZ4xPdgofdZ0pcH/pFNEd+j4KZ tuLMU1Q8p6GkcuQIFJO30mUAEf7m0JG5qV8WYHfMxdrbBbQ+D6M64YYBeUXkywXPLY cqo6EYFbaMboJUvxj38xoVJ9u2ltBPNmahUHlW/7zni9GszfowsPJClw6woiZbKxbo I9zG4CROIM2hYNGqREObv5FPNlZd97v2GHQbtishCyzjykHO9yjsJtRosTxAWSQb11 j7c1iDw/qJ2kl0BjmtiXynOoXJ8djXIthxTkCnCNGDXjl7iNRMFkptouZOlxaUZaEU NzLQoM8iDGpHA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4C8Vms75fqz6tmP; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:33:17 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:32:35 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:48:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257390 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > * Teemu Likonen [2020-10-10 11:35]: >> * 2020-10-09 19:12:23-04, Adrien Brochard wrote: >> >> > Please find the list of questions I have gathered at the end of this >> > email. >> >> Great! I would like to see this survey conducted. It would be >> interesting to see what people use Emacs for and some distribution of >> answers. It's not easy to find good sample of users but if the survey is >> published in some main communication platforms or communities it will be >> good enough, I think. > > If survey is published, for example on Reddit, such survey is narrow > and specific to Reddit users, and would represent only that > communication channel. > > My proposal on how to publish a survey is to include that in the Help > menu, and let people do it straight from Emacs. That is similar to bug > reporting, but it is not a bug, it is feature request. But if you have to have mail configured, you're also only going to have a specific subset of all users. I think the idea of having a survey that could be filled out from Emacs is interesting (although we would only get to hear from current users, not previous users). But it would have to work regardless of what the user has configured or not. From what I see, that would either mean a web form that can be filled out using EWW or a package that could be downloaded from ELPA. -- Philip K.