From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mingde (Matthew) Zeng" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/HELLO: On Chinese and Cantonese Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <873625279o.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87mu0e3giu.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8968"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai Ma To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 01:04:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVjdZ-0002CY-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 01:04:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVjdX-0008Pq-W0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:04:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVjcE-0007wH-BS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:49721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVjcA-00038f-Qb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:03:25 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A8E2400FB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 01:03:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1603407799; bh=+lqrBeQ+gjvqYrtuyLQzU2pJng+ZTxmgyKR1RceETcQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=XehOpw/0h8h1YyiVWrCUko/f6xXqa13/f3ze/VYfzAzGWdr62KHppEu/p7me5Sgoc tT3IG6vNg+bJehU4SmAcoQIVkQQHD0yEgc2EQEhJtW/lJBHa7WuFdNtLiEW0VRNCRt 0gAi95rU64HlfnlxU/ZOzKz3yUnCX4mqEtorMWl+Jlru4TllZOevyXOAkGfA809sFO p6ZGc4LxsrJCFel7o7sbuH7yeWhYnzblrIrw6OrYgxqqmDIcn3MtPR/kfLyOIGPG0x KF8YFM25/di1gwafiGho6KOVyrkYdo7oTmxfS4VqPKg3wiaxcoGgA1tWhVdNt7y1L2 aKUE0+GmazsVg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4CHNFK0LhDz6tmk; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 01:03:16 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=matthewzmd@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/22 17:52:47 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258320 Archived-At: > Is it correct in written language? Although Yuan pointed out that it is common greeting in Cantonese (my bad, = as I'm not too familiar with Cantonese, apologies for sounding far too cert= ain when I shouldn't be), "=E6=97=A9=E6=99=A8" means "good morning", and "g= ood morning" is also a common greeting among English speakers, it definitel= y shouldn't appear in the file dedicated to HELLO. While "=E4=BD=A0=E5=A5= =BD", which directly means "hello", same among simplified or traditional, s= hould be only the word appearing in the file HELLO. > And then try to find some greetings that are actually different in the > two scripts. I don't think they need to be natural in spoken language, > but they would have to be technically correct in the written language. > If they are unusual, that is fine, because the purpose is mostly to show > the difference between the scripts. > > Does that proposal make sense? If you _have to_ find a greeting closest to =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD that's diffe= rent in simplified and traditional, I propose =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD=E5=90=97 (= simplified) / =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD=E5=97=8E (traditional). However it means "hello?" (with a question mark) or "how are you?", still s= lightly different from the simple and universal =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD. :-( -- Mingde (Matthew) Zeng