From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: SourceHut for Emacs (was: Gitlab Migration) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <8735qqq0ex.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> References: <83a6l3q99e.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmtyng47.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1353"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Notmuch/0.31.4 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 30 20:00:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mKla1-00006N-1P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 20:00:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41224 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKlZz-0005yS-N5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:00:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36402) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKlYq-0004UL-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]:51935) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKlYp-0000bs-50 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601E232009F2; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm1; bh=sEe14+2bZEbQWrcULyaYlskvN4 FaYYvSWdF/w6l+CiM=; b=DAjFH3U6RYUL4zp7ttt9GaObyyrIxw06cHrzO3fSbg je+O2+DSixvgSKhb9hkBsBpDv85r2NxCP/h0ujydikod4hD0UAvz7d9/QVzZLLhB NvUL4PKrrIdX52/M3yk1fwRzqQEt6XG9XeJbJkBaA/RmFeznNdaQqF3YXeJ55ZIk zOqQ0KRko2XcC/HG2ffC7Aeg6bdskjFm2mdOF86z97u+5YsgG4ZDv0craMWASEDg iiXapqBNYZhU/K9L7X77CIPk7tfB9CnVJhVWwdY3FwiZYLrwMKAjpSgse0ro1fh7 nc/DTPTf0LuCKeS+C4r+u+LS/0NxsMIvptlDZuIgVSMA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=sEe14+ 2bZEbQWrcULyaYlskvN4FaYYvSWdF/w6l+CiM=; b=TWHwsaN9I7GKigwFGVnvFu i3Y3Olt8LdPIZf8hB+Gss0MAeq5wDf63Rodc+D2GaPeVD3Uhg0be9sbbGH+y69fC 8QzozTAwrVC9JRScfjGQfXqEu066JCMBseb8qlQ5xqD3PuakHxAKzwMbRy139kMc Zgw2y70IOC5tz47k6TkRAigKbVqe7NjVYRcyuDEItqMIk3FYs5QkwuuKO+vM2YBZ L+VYa64FWhBkPYxbBR7a4/3YdzXgUQX2OMQq7TkTQx5/iDNzkgIu9CR5tU9glupW OWY4EHnrQ5k2kG2ibTIiZqtGlWgEb9tVOuEx+C/Pf5AqohlRNv7zaG/7AtpRpObQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudduledguddulecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefhvffujghffgffkfggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepufgvrghn ucghhhhithhtohhnuceoshhpfihhihhtthhonhesshhpfihhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgvqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeivdefueefkeefhfeggeelleefhfdvhfduleehheegtdel iedtffehieejkeegueenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrih hlfhhrohhmpehsphifhhhithhtohhnsehsphifhhhithhtohhnrdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by hephaestus.arizona.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E1E87E9689; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:59:02 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.21; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273521 Archived-At: Hello, On Sat 28 Aug 2021 at 09:04AM -04, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Reading this discussion made me realize why I'm rooting for SourceHut: > it's the only such tool I've seen whose goals align exactly with ours. > Both philosophically (most other tools just happen to be Free Software > and but are more philosophically aligned with Open Source) and > technically (it aims for first class email support while providing as > much as possible of the shiny web features of other systems). > > So at this stage, I personally don't see much point looking for other > tools. Instead I'm just wondering how to get us to use SourceHut > (i.e. how to resolve the problems that might stand in the way, such as > getting an instance up and running on GNU machines, starting to use it > "on the side" to see in practice what issues we'll need > fixed/improved/added before we can really switch, etc...). Perhaps we could get a GNU-hosted instance stood up to play with? -- Sean Whitton