From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Bozhidar Batsov" <bozhidar@batsov.dev>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Merging the pgtk branch
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 08:28:08 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735mpcuav.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sfupap8b.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:48:20 +0200")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:12:46 +0200
>> From: "Bozhidar Batsov" <bozhidar@batsov.dev>
>>
>> Fair enough, let me try to clarify my question. I had just assumed that all Unix systems (except macOS)
>> default to the old GTK front-end (when it comes to Emacs with GUI, that is) and I was wondering if the
>> expectation was that pgtk would mostly replace it right away (e.g. because of it's improved compatibility with
>> Wayland) once Emacs 28 is released.
>
> AFAIU, you _have_ to specify --with-x-toolkit=VALUE at configure time;
> there's no default. If you don't specify it, you get an X build with
> no toolkit.
> As for PGTK: we didn't yet decide whether to promote it as the
> recommended toolkit. AFAIU, there are some issues with it (whose root
> cause is how Wayland works), and we are not yet sure whether users
> will live in peace with those issues. We need more feedback and more
> user experience for that.
There are some other problems with it (by design): it's scantily tested,
and it doesn't respect Z groups in child frames, it doesn't work with
the X resource database (not everyone wants to use GSettings), and it
also lacks several other features.
This situation will take quite a while to improve. Some of the problem
needs improvements in GTK+3, which will probably not happen due to the
attitude of the GTK developers. Please don't make it the recommended
toolkit.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-19 0:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-01 8:53 Merging the pgtk branch Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-01 16:38 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-08-01 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-02 14:17 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-08-02 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-03 12:52 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-08-03 13:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-04 13:43 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-11-14 12:20 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-11-14 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-14 14:55 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-08-04 12:53 ` Font size (was: Merging the pgtk branch) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-08-04 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-04 13:58 ` Font size Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-08-04 15:46 ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-04 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-04 17:09 ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-04 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-04 18:33 ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-05 14:51 ` Robert Pluim
2021-08-05 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-04 13:55 ` Font size (was: Merging the pgtk branch) Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-04 14:15 ` Font size Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-08-10 15:15 ` Merging the pgtk branch Yuuki Harano
2021-08-10 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 15:41 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-02 3:45 ` Po Lu
2021-12-02 9:47 ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-02 9:50 ` Po Lu
2021-12-02 10:06 ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-02 10:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-02 10:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-02 11:34 ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-05 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 16:01 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-05 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-06 0:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-06 4:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-06 13:12 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-06 13:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-06 16:01 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-09 5:01 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 7:58 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 12:52 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-18 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 12:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 13:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:02 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 12:54 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:01 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 13:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 13:26 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 13:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-18 13:39 ` Po Lu via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-18 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-18 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:56 ` Yuuki Harano
2021-12-18 14:15 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-18 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 15:12 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-18 15:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-18 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 15:56 ` Ken Brown
2021-12-18 16:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-18 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 0:30 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 0:28 ` Po Lu [this message]
2021-12-18 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 0:32 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 9:39 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-18 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 19:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-18 21:50 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-18 23:15 ` David Koppelman
2021-12-18 13:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:29 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 13:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-18 13:33 ` Po Lu
2021-12-18 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-01 15:06 ` Transitory GUI connections (was Re: Merging the pgtk branch) Alex Bennée
2021-09-02 6:22 ` Po Lu
2021-09-17 15:09 ` Robert Pluim
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2021-12-05 19:14 Merging the pgtk branch Vitaly Ankh
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