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Eduardo Ochs <eduardoochs@gmail.com> writes:

> Where is that documented?

It's documented in the doc string of each variable that behaves this
way.  (And there are many of them.)

> A few weeks ago I made a video - called "Org for non users" - about
> why I find some parts of Emacs that are "for users" very hard to
> understand, and showing how I am trying to make them more
> understandable by "non users" like me... and I would really like to do
> something similar for customize in the next few years.

Custom should be understandable for everyone, and I don't see why it
isn't.  It works reasonably similarly to, for example, the Mozilla
Firefox about:preferences page.