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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ab1b0fb73ceabd4289f0619b7f7432d4; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:59:53 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83ilmj873l.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:41:50 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.204; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-23.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293882 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I disagree. As I said, the user can drop it in some place where > dropping is a no-op. > > And let's not forget that drag-and-drop operation mostly ends in a > drop, not in a cancel. Canceling should be much rarer than dropping. Sure, if you think that's okay I will continue working on the PGTK drag-and-drop support. >> X will probably remain the primary window server for the next decade or >> so. > > I'm saying that we shouldn't stop looking for reasonably good GUI > environments because we are complacent with X. I guess you misunderstood what I said. I just said alternatives to X shouldn't be made the default, since almost everyone will be using X for the forseeable future.